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[–] 39 points 1 week ago (14 children)

I’ve never seen Babylon 5.. am I missing out?

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  • [–] 54 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Definitely. It was a groundbreaking show with some of the best character development and plot arcs on television, including everything that has come after. Incredible performances, deep lore, and fantastic writing.

    You’ll have to get past the dated effects and synth soundtrack, but that’s easy after a few episodes. If you like sci-fi, you’ll love Babylon 5.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    B5 also had the best space combat with speed vectors or whatever is closer to real physics instead of shops and shuttles flying like boats and airplanes.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    With the quirk that only most ships fly like that. Ships with gravimetric drives (ships made by the Vorlons, Minbari, and Centauri) fly like boats and aircraft. Which then gets really cool when you notice both types of ship behaving correctly in the same shot.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    Babylon 5 also seemed to write better space combat with the larger ships. Spacedock has a good video about the Battle of Proxima 3 where it goes through how the show wrote a believable naval civil war battle including understanding the geography of the area, the tactics of the different forces, and the politics behind the battle.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    It's good and an easy watch, only 5 seasons. SURE you can watch all the movies too and maybe the spin off series but in all honestly you can probably skip the spin off.

    The first season can be a struggle to get through for many people but you kinda have to watch it as everything ties together. and there's a major plot point you won't understand or appreciate in the last couple seasons unless you watch season 1. But once the Shadow War kicks off man that show hits its stride, starts running, and just doesn't stop until the very last episode.

    The space combat is probably the absolute best. The best part in that series is seeing jump gates open at JUST the right time and wondering whose coming out of them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    all honestly you can probably skip the spin off.

    Crusade was pretty forgettable, and didn't help me enjoy Babylon 5 more or anything. I wouldn't hesitate to skip it. The one thing I do remember about it is how the person controls the ship's weapons systems. It was pretty cool how they get suspended in midair in an empty room and their bodily gestures are somehow translated into weapons actions.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    The CGI is of course dated at this point, especially the space battle stuff. Characters are largely practical though, so they look fine still.

    Otherwise IMO the first season starts a little slow and there's a ton exposition heavy stuff early to introduce the world. It does pick up soon though and it avoids the returning to status quo after episode quite well. Pretty much every episode moves some of the bigger background plots forward

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    B5 wins for being the only serious sci fi series that had a species that flew actual stereotypical flying saucers

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    B5 is a more honest tale (feels handmade and passionate), that you might not appreciate if you need high production values to keep interested.

    B5 is less accessible, and sometimes you need to be paying attention. DS9 is better at spoon feeding you and making sure you have what you need. B5 is trying to tell the B5 story. DS9 is trying to expand its region of Star Trek story telling, and occasionally wanders into expert episodes of single story high sci-fi. B5 is a different kind of epic (more like a Space Opera)

    They both do great things but some people want the backing and polish of a Star Trek univese, which can make DS9 feel more like home, whilst also preventing it from feeling alien. B5 feels more alien and like there's something unknown going on, as scifi maybe should?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    You need the 4:3 4k rescan version, it’s so unbelievably crispy and correct.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago

    Which is honestly too bad because the show was originally filmed for 16:9 with the expectation that 16:9 TVs would become common in the near future, which they did. The 4k version is only 4:3 because the effects were done on the cheap and mastered for 4:3 standard definition and nobody that could afford it wants to redo all the effects work.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Tried watching the first episode a couple of times but it didn't really capture my interest. Plus somehow the video quality managed to be even worse than DS9.

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    [–] 31 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    The space station show where an alien religious cast helps the station commander fight a large scale political and physical war against an insidious enemy not detectable to the human eye, even though a genocidal race aiding them may be sacrificed?

    ....wait, which one am I talking about?

    spoilerThe one that's pro-union, has large character arcs, and a conspiracy that plays out back home.

    Wait, which one?

    spoilerThe one where ancient text profecy it all.

    spoilerThe one where the Station Commander actually belonged to that part of space after all. You know, he wasn't really like other humans.

    ...i give up.

    They both match these descriptions... But interestingly enough B5 often ends up feeling like it's telling the bigger story! Sometimes it feels like DS9 is just trying to keep up with it (albeit with much higher production values).

    ...and the B5 aliens are somehow, more alien. It's got a lot going for it, and is an underdog that punches above its weight class.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    They're my two favorite Sci-fi shows, and I have room in my heart for both!

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I heard about the story about how Paramount turned down the Babylon 5 pitch, then turned around and made Deep Space 9. Of course the two shows went in different directions, and are each great in different ways. But there are eyebrow-raising surface similarities. Both shows are named after a numbered space station, feature a commander who is a prophesized savior, have long story arcs, explore moral complexity.

    Yesterday I watched the movie pilot, The Gathering. There is another similarity I hadn't realized before: both commanders are romantically involved with a freighter caption whose name starts with "Ca"!

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago

    it's interesting the ways they got more similar as they went on, too. there's one particular plot point that B5 does later on, after realizing they had accidentally been foreshadowing it, that comes from the pilot of DS9. i'm not saying they copied it but they couldn't exactly unwatch it either. the suits at Paramount definitely fucked over JMS when they stole the basic premise, but once both shows were on the air i think they both benefitted from the unintentional dialogue between them

    and fun fact: Lyta's actress was also an extra and stunt double on DS9. reportedly she got a lot of complements on B5 in very hushed tones on the Paramount lot

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    [–] 8 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I've only seen 1 episode of Babylon 5, the union episode that was floating around Lemmy yesterday. It definitely beats Bar Association, but I have a hard time imagining that it could beat episodes like Past Tense

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago

    Babylon 5s pay off comes in season 3 and 4. There are some great episodes at the end of season 1 and season 2. But S3 and S4 are the best television I’ve seen. It’s hard to imagine but still the case.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)
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