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[–] 7 points 1 hour ago

I'm still looking for a solution after https://keepandroidopen.org/

About 50% of my apps are from F-Droid (the others are specific local apps and especially bank apps, which is difficult ...)

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  • [–] 24 points 2 hours ago

    I'll believe it when the roms hit xda.

    Excited, sure, just hesitant. No buy until it's truth.

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  • [–] 2 points 40 minutes ago

    Signature? So when - In January?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago

    I wouldn’t mind it coming to an updated ThinkPhone.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    Okay good, they clarified that they won’t ship with it. I’ve seen people saying they will but I never read anything from Graphene or Moto stating that.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

    Wouldn't it be better if it DID? Wouldn't that get around all the "tamper" detection stuff?

    Right now I have Google Play disabled in my owner profile, but it would be nice if apps in secondary profiles could pass the full Play Integrity checks... even though I'm actively trying to transition away from them.

    For example Cisco DUO says my device with GrapheneOS installed has been tampered with, and I was hoping that would go away if I could just buy the phone with GrapheneOS installed.

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  • In the long term, yes it would be better if it shipped.

    However, if someone went to a phone store with a stock graphene on display and anything else next to it, which one do you think they'll choose?

    Until Graphene's stock experience (i.e stock apps and launcher) mature enough to not look out of place next to google and apple, the average Joe will pick the more polished phone. I hope improving that is a task Motorola will be able to help with, while graphene keeps doing their thing.

    Additionally with the app/play store dualopoly, Motorola would be shooting them selves in the foot if they didn't ship with the play store.

    Getting an option beside a pixel for Grapheneos is pretty cool and a big step forward. I hope new demand will be high enough to show the decision makers that its an endeavor worth continuing.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

    It wouldn't go away. It will only go away if Google signs grapheneos images. Grapheneos on all supported devices support the required attestation already. It is just Google pettiness.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 hours ago* (1 child)

    Sign me up for a graphene razr ultra please and thank you. Dont have any issue with self install if it doesnt ship that way

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  • [–] 26 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

    whistles

    They make a $2,600 smartphone?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 hours ago

    This is great and all, gives more device options for GOS. However, being only flagship, this will put GOS out of reach for alot of people due to the cost of flagship phones and the current economy. Especially if Google starts making future Pixels unable to have GOS flashed onto them.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    Man, I would be all over the is of it was on lower end models so I can run graphene as my sketchy international travel phone. But I don't really want to pay flagship prices for that. And I still believe in having a curated primary digital fingerprint.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

    And I still believe in having a curated primary digital fingerprint.

    Could you please elaborate? I know what digital footprint is, minimizing and compartmentalization techniques, but not primary and curated digital footprint.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 hours ago

    Functional and hypothetical only example usage of a curated digital footprint, for story purposes:

    You keep, use, maintain, and preferably daily drive technology interfacing gizmos in a manner that results in a footprint where the conclusions drawn from it resolve to a "curated" set of... whatever the beholder is looking to ID from the footprint.

    Functional example:

    You keep and use devices in a manner that is at most "normie+".

    You own a Pixel Phone but keep stock android on it and add just enough to it not make you hate your life. You use a couple of normal sub services.

    You still show some of your silly, like use an account on a porn website that federates with the world you care to socialize with. You still post how The Man better watch out.

    Same as everyone else. The fingerprint looks like what you want it to look like.

    So that it remains separate from what could happen/be happening elsewhere inside a Faraday cage with other devices there. How they are configured like, or who they talk to, the networks you utilize and the level of silly you display in your other accounts that have never so much as shared a trace route in passing together.

    That's hypothetically separate from the curated digital identity, depending on how careful and good at it your set up was.

    So when the friendly folks with the mass surveillance pull up your file, it's composed of what you wanted there to begin with.

    It's just another implementation layer of minimizing and compartmentalization, really.

    Hypothetically. For a friend.

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    [–] 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child)

    The goat since the og razr.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 hour ago*

    Not the same company. Lenovo bought only the name of the mobile division and slapped it on their products. Google bought Motorola Mobility first, stripped it bare of all the people and IP of value and sold the name to Lenovo.

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  • [–] 58 points 6 hours ago* (3 children)

    I love graphene, but I hope they're planning to also roll out some very strong stock software - or else this will make for a very rough first impression on a large audience of normies and hurt graphene's long run chance of success. The camera, gallery, and app store in particular will not come up to many users' standards.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 hours ago

    Motorola should be able to lead them into the right direction for this. Moto controls their own drivers and while i don't know, i don't expect they're using stock android camera, they can probably just provide the camera app to graphene

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    There are some really talented people working on the camera systems for Apple and Google etc. what I don’t get is surely there are some equally talented engineers (in image processing) who love open source so why aren’t they working on an open source camera platform?

    It seems an itch that’s not getting scratched.

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  • [–] 48 points 6 hours ago (11 children)

    They need to support it on the Moto G phones so people can actually afford them.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 hours ago

    I got a deal on a new 9 from my carrier for $5 a month for 24 months.

    $120 CAD.

    But, in canada, the phones come carrier unlocked and had no issue flashing it. Though i only ever powered it on once before it was flashed - to turn on oem unlocking. The sim was not used until then. So it didn't do any auto downloads that might have caused a problem.

    Long short: you can find them cheap if you look.

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