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My Mother hired a licensed electrician to install 1 ethernet drop in her home office. She already had a preexisting tp-link setup in the basement. She showed me the invoice today which totaled $958.00! I'm shocked and disgusted. Feels like they took advantage of my Mother.

I told my Mother to call them first thing tomorrow morning to see if they possibly made a mistake. If not, I advised her to never do business with that company again. This seems like highway robbery. Is there anything else she can do?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

What does it matter? There is an absolutely zero point wasting time with this. Your adult mother was presented an offer which she accepted and created a contract to do work. The work was done and I assume she paid them. Stay out of your mom’s finances unless she asks for your help.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Field nation seems like it’s geared towards commercial? Maybe can find someone on there to do a residential job though.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Get 3 bids. Choose the bid you like.

Only time there’s a problem is if the price you are told is a bait and switch tactic and the price they at the end have you pay is vastly different than the beginning.

If your mom was told the job was a million dollars and she agreed to it. That’s on her.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Sounds pretty pricey, but it's hard to say without being there.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

You will pay $1000 any time someone shows up at your house to do anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Was it a fixed price quote or t&m estimate?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Looks cost seems excessively high for a simple Ethernet drop installation, and it might be worth seeking a detailed breakdown of the charges

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Paid a fair price don’t call the business.

Yes, you’re right it’s a steep price, but that’s the cost for a professional.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Would need to see the invoice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The only reason I can think it would be expensive is if it was a really complicated run. But seems way too much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

They said drop ceiling in basement and it was first floor. So basically drilling up through the floor into the wall in first floor. Super easy

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I mean she signed off on the work right? I over quote jobs that wouldn’t be worth my time if I didn’t charge more. They never have to accept the quote

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

That’s insanely overpriced. But I think the first mistake is getting an electrician instead of a low voltage tech.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

This.

I ended up teaching an electrician how to do the job right when they came to do some warranty work on a new home. I couldn't believe what the guy didn't know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

This right here. Might not be an overcharge for an electrician depending on the details of the cable run - but a low voltage guy would have done it for 1/3 of that. Opportunity dollars matter

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Everyone in this group says this, but I live in a small to medium city (metropolitan area population just over a million) and I could not find a “low voltage electrician” anywhere. Called tons of people. Closest I could find (who wasn’t just a normal electrician) was a computer repair guy who said “I suppose I could do some runs but I’m not a network guy” and a high end home theater shop that point blank told me it wasn’t worth their time unless I bought a multi thousand dollar home automation system from them.

So how exactly do I find a low voltage tech? Cause Google didn’t work. I suppose there must be a bunch of people who work the commercial side but it was near impossible to find anyone who did residential.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Low Voltage tech here, telephone, computer networking and fire/burg alarms. I find most my work on 3rd party platforms, Field Nation for example is one of the largest 1099 markets to pair providers looking for technicians. Just be sure to screen the resources your looking for, because Field Nation doesn't really validate anyone's claim to skillsets.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

That’s crazy my price is $120/drop and that’s platedwall fished and tested

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

$120/drop no matter what? That doesn't sound professional at all. Some jobs require cutting and patching drywall. Some jobs require a concrete core drill through commercial building walls/ceilings. Some jobs require hours of fishing through crawl spaces and attics.

You really going to spend 6+ hours and still charge "$120/drop" for 1 drop?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

What does "platedwall" mean?

I asked above if the price included drywall work for the outlet box.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

and that’s platedwall fished

I'm going to assume this means a wall plate and jack?

As opposed to the Verizon installer who just drilled a hole through my house, ran a wire from the ONT up to the 2nd floor, and put a large knot on the inside to keep it from falling back through..... *sigh*

Didn't even strap the cable or anything, it's just out there flopping.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Of course it’s a rip off but she could have gotten any schmuck from Craigslist to do it for like $100 + materials lol. I mean if it’s drop ceiling, shit I’d do that for $200

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

that's a lot, but it feels like the price reflects the cost the dude would normally make that day

a single ethernet run for an electrician is usually a waste of their time tbh

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Residential is usually more expensive than business and usually companies won't do residential if they're big.

It's been a few years since I got quotes, but generally it was $250 per run and those runs would be run to their max length with slack if needed. Or at least that's what I requested 90 m for every run spool it up in the ceiling.

It can take a lot of work to run cable and residential because of things like fire blocks and other unforeseen circumstances.

But this seems very high to me.

Tip: if you ever pay someone to run ethernet and you need a single drop pay for two.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

The jack cost 1$ the cable path cost the rest check that out

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I spent that to have my whole house set up for Ethernet and the guy set up a ubiquiti network for me

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

If you and or your north hired someone with out an estimate ahead of time I’m surprised they didn’t charge you triple that for being stupid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I paid a cabling guy $300 to run 2 Cat 6 cables from my downstairs to upstairs. They fished it into the basement, then up into a closet, into the upstairs, floor and into the wall and mounted on both floors on wall jacks.

I wouldn't hire an electrician to do that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The typical price for a business that had drop ceilings and drywall is $150-$300 depending on number of drops ordered. A single drop is barely worth the materials to deploy a tech.

Using that understanding doing it in a house will easily add $250 for the headaches that can happen. So knowing it is $300 and then a possible $250. $900 seems reasonable in the aspect of they have to make money and they have to make sure that sending the tech is worth doing. She got a quote that was the "I don't want to take this job" price.

Think about it like this. If you were to tell me that you would pay me $50 to come make you a pot of coffee plus all of my travel and materials. That job to me is not worth it. However if you told me you would pay me $500 plus travel and materials. That job becomes worth doing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Seriously? 900+ for an hour work?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This isn’t a ridiculous price. Might be slightly high but not highway robbery.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

More than slightly imo. Of course we don’t know how long of a run this was. But for a single Ethernet drop by itself anything over 250-300 to start is price gouging in my book.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Shit. Take me 2 hours. 1000 bucks like that, in the wrong job.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If it was 2 wall fish and 30-40 ft through a drop ceiling. I know a few companies that would do it for ~$100

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Did that include drywall work and painting?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I get billed out at between 120 and 150 per hour as a home automation guy, from the time I start traveling to the jobsite until I leave. This might take me an hour and be only 30 mins from the shop so it could be in the 200 range. It could also be over an hour drive from the shop with tons of unforeseen obstacles. Things like definitely have the potential to turn into a handful of hours even though it looked like one hour on paper.

So yes, even having the proper guy for the job (never an electrician) do this type of task could turn into this type of quote. There’s no knowing if it was truly highway robbery without more info.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I work as a network cable tech in the US. Perhaps I could give a breakdown of the cost of this installation. For my labor, it's $85/hr for a site visit, then $85/hr billed in 15-minute increments. Standard plenum cable costs somewhere around 0.37 cents a foot. A low voltage ring for the drywall costs somewhere around $5, and a keystone jack costs about $13 (although this does vary with the brand). A single port white faceplate costs around $2. I've done similar installs to this in residential areas, and if it's an older home, getting a cable from point A to point B can be pretty difficult and time-consuming. That being said: I still don't think this sort of install should cost upwards of $900.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I considered running my own a few months ago--even to the point of buying some ethernet cable and wall jacks and then I learned about ethernet over coax--MoCA. Omg it's fantastic. For like $60 I have a wired connection upstairs and see no loss in speed. Amazing!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

If they have direct TV lines then you need to use Deca since they are on a different frequency range from services like comcast

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

This job was a C-note if it took them 30-45 mins.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Even for job that takes 10 hours I would only charge 500

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

3 years ago I paid $100 per drop for Ethernet from a certified electrician. Now, he was here to replace my panel, add some circuits, and the Ethernet, so I’m not sure if the $100/drop fee was discounted in some way based on the total size of the job, but it seemed very reasonable to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I was a data cabler at the start of my career.

Residential is the worst. Dwangs in walls. Cable runs are always a bitch. And even if you have a drop its not guaranteed to fit or feed another cable, and usually not easily. Many walls will have to be surface mounted blocks with capping. House ceilings suck.

Most offices have suspended ceilings , hollow walls / partitions . Built in cable ducts and catenarys. etc etc

I did exactly 4 residential jobs. Lol.

And dozens and dozens of commercial buildings.

Not in the US but this seems high-ish. But I know lots of people would feel this sort of job is seldom worth the petrol or stress.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How was the pay for residential data cabling?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

How long was the installer there for ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

$500 van roll fee on top of some pricy work. Maybe that was the minimum

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I had pretty much every light switch and receptacle (minus the 3 I did myself) replaced in my house by two electricians 4 years ago. They charged me $400 and I was pretty happy with that. This seems excessive.

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