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Inspired by this article about a jellyfish that doesn't die of old age, injury or poor conditions, it just reverts back to a juvenile state and is reborn genetically identical. If you could be reborn, as you, would you want to?

Edit: Just the physical you, genetic and presumably epigenetic, no memory.

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[-] Soulinyx@piefed.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I don't know. I would want to die entirely so I can be reborn as something or someone else.

[-] DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Its all fun and games until you grow up and realize that the last "you" from before that you don't remember and have no affiliation with now was a serial killer or something. Two consecutive life sentences just got a whole other meaning.

Also, I guess after decades and decades of this you'd have to start doing DNA testing before having sex because - you wouldn't remember all the offspring you have had or the cousins or whatever (this is assuming your family and everyone else is doing this same rebirth cycle thing)

And how would that work? Are you stuck with the same family forever? Count me out I don't want to go through childhood again like that.

Imagine if you were someone like Donald Trump or Jeffery Epstein and then come back as a normal person like you are now with the same morals and belief system and then have to come to terms with that. I don't know if I could.

Even if you don't remember or feel that way now it was still you

I'm not perfect by any measure of the word but I do feel good about having a lot of the beliefs that I do. I know people who grew up just like I did except they drank the koolaid and turned out with some shitty beliefs.

What if you ended up like that the second time? What if you turned into a Nazi or something that would be horrible.

I agree with what one of the other commenters said though, it would be so cool to see just how much our personality and behavior is affected by external factors.

And especially interesting to see how much of it is not.

[-] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 3 points 11 hours ago

Sure, might as well

[-] dregan@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

In a way that is temporally continuous? No way. As long as I'm always dead by around 2012? Yeah, sure.

[-] wowbaggerip@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

This is the correct answer. Except for the 9/11 part and well... lots of other bad things but ideally I'd be able to stop some of that from happening somehow.

[-] regedit@lemmy.zip 3 points 15 hours ago

Reminds me of the end of the game SOMA.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 21 hours ago

Being reborn without memory is pretty much the same as dying as you are not your body, you are your memories

[-] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

Really? My memories in someone else's body isn't me either. There is the biological me at birth, then the conscious me of experience and memory. I think they both play a part of the older you, but being reborn as baby you is still literally the original "you" at this point.

[-] Identikit@leminal.space 6 points 19 hours ago

This pulls in the philosophy of what makes someone “themselves” - is it memory, body, or “soul”. Technically, twins look the same so body could be ruled out that way but I do understand what you mean. I also tend to think of body as a vehicle in this life and not me, just like a car I got given in life. I didn’t choose my body, it’s just what I got given. My personality though - my morals, my believes, etc… that I do consider myself and who “I” am. An argument could be made that as you “craft” your personality or you - it is similar to working out and crafting your body into “you” but some people can’t do that with the cards they were dealt - so I’ll digress.

I just dig the philosophical conversation to be had here.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

No memory = no point in doing it.

If you don't remember something, it might as well have never happened.

Besides, I'm already sick of this time around, and my genetics were fucked to begin with. Give me a redo with my memories and a new body, and then we might have something.

[-] decolo@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

Maybe you could leave yourself hints like the memento guy.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I work with a guy who has a long Polish name that nobody can spell, and it makes me smile every time he's referred to as John G.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Probably not, but it's interesting to think about the implications here. If the new you is the same except for the memories and experiences, then what you become is a function of your environment, and if enough experiments are run on this over successive generations then an accurate and comprehensive model of your behavior and thinking could be obtained.

So I don't know if this has been done before but I have this idea for a fictional setting where there's people like this, who have made themselves this kind of immortal, and tried to set up automated systems to ensure they have some kind of continuity, raising themselves with robots, biometric access, keeping a journal and such. But then maybe the people excluded from these systems will have figured out over long periods of time that the immortals are predictable, since they are the same people repeated, and developed ritualistic cargo-cult-esque ways of interacting with them designed to produce the results they want, maybe even speaking words in a language they don't understand and just knowing that those particular words will be interpreted the right way because the person being spoken to has been a known quantity for centuries or millennia.

[-] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 19 hours ago

People are getting caught up on the "no memory" part but there is no reason you couldn't communicate with yourself between lives. Sort of preserving your memories that way.

That really interesting to consider.

Would the new you even care?

[-] python@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Edit: Just the physical you, genetic and presumably epigenetic, no memory.

Without the memories, that simply wouldn't be me though. After all, twins that share the entirety of their genetic material aren't the same person either.

I also just wouldn't do it, my genetics aren't anything special that's worth preserving.

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[-] SmokedBillionaire@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not without keeping my memory, no. I definitely wish for immortality, just from a curiosity perspective. I don't think I necessarily deserve it, I am just so interested in seeing how things turn out in the future.

[-] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

I would be like the Avatar and wondering what my previous versions of me did. Would be so weird but would be interesting.

[-] TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago
[-] AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip 4 points 23 hours ago

If my memories are kept, I can only imagine how terrifying it would be to fall asleep and die one night, only to wake up to having zero bodily control and everything is just blury just a foot away, low resolution, and seeing in grayscale. That would be terrifying, so no unless I don't remember a thing. Then it wouldn't matter what my answer is now because I wouldn't remember it.

[-] DGen@piefed.zip 4 points 23 hours ago

Oh hell naw.

[-] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago

Depends on if you keep your memories or not each rebirth.

[-] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

How would this change your answer? I fear the thought of carrying trauma forever.

[-] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

It's the difference between reliving the exact same life repeatedly with no knowledge of any previous lives. This could actually be happening for you right now, but you'd never know. So, what's the point? Retaining memories lets you differentiate between the iterations with accumulated trauma, joy, loss, sense of renewal.

If this topic interests you, I recommend Replay by Ken Grimwood.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

Replay is one of the best books ever written, fight me!

[-] My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I think I'd fight with you on this point.

Ever read This Perfect Day by Levin? It gave me similar vibes, although the story is very different.

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[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

All that time to work on your trauma? Sign me up!

Would be very bizarre to be like 15yo though, would you like get born in a new family every time? Weird af.

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[-] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

I don't want to make the same mistakes for infinity, at least this way I could make new mistakes for infinity!

Like groundhog day or any of the other time loop movies. If you had the ability to accumulate knowledge over lifetimes, you could progress to incredible levels of understanding and ability.

Imagine spending a lifetime to learn an instrument, then repeat until you are a one person master band.

It has the benefit of immortality to accomplish things, without the issues of being going crazy from being 52 for a thousand years. You'll be young again, and experience the joys of youth, the pain of heartbreak again as a teebs, your first child, etc. Or spend one life being reckless, then another being a parent, another a space explorer, etc.

[-] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

All true. Every life would be lived anew but times change, so you would see the futures beyond a single human life.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago

Even if the new body and I are genetically identical, if it doesn’t have my memories, it is not “me”.

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[-] UnequalExchange@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

nah humanity is one of the most painful things Ive ever read of or come into contact with . Im actually very eager to see the end of my life cause then I wont have to deal with all this genocidal , selfish, illogical bullshit from people.

Also why would I do this without keeping my memories? Absolutely not. I need to remember why I want to stay awau from other people and what other people have done to me that has led to me becomjng this sad sad state...

Edit: also let me clarify, I am certainly no saint or a messiah or anyone or anything special. Im just some dude. But Ive come to realization.... that Im fatigued and jaded by the humans Ive come into contact with in my life including my parenrs who have practicallt ostracized me and the 'friends' who I had who ghosted me or betrayed me. And Im tired of this abyss of loneliness I always appear to be stuck in no matter what I do to just be confident and go out more and to be friendly even trying to just be more genuine- it all just never works for me...and....Im tired of it all. Im so tired of it all.

I dont mean to be a meanie to anyone who reads this comment , I wish you all well. I wish you all had better lives than I have had so far and than I will have IF I keep on living (probably wont happen but ...so be it....I tried. I failed. And Im sorry. It is what it is) Just please know: Im tired. Im so tired. Im only 30 but I know for a fact Im not long for this world . Sadly. Ive been through some things I cant even type here without being banned forever....

I wish you all the best in your endeavors or if you I dont knkw choose to be reincarnated like this lol. Bye everyone. Peace 🤟🏿🫂😮‍💨

[-] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

I see your point. We are a very short sighted species.

These ones expect to be "reborn" indefinitely, with memory. These ones expect some bad existences but probably on the whole existence is good.

[-] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

The article didn't specify memories, just a reversion to a juvenile form and rebirth. For the sake of my OP, let's assume no memory transference. Just the biological rebirth of you.

As to the good and bad in life, there have never been guarentees in life. You play the cards you have and get what you get. Sometimes terrible and unfair and cruel, and sometimes great and easy. Usually somewhere in between with a mix of both.

[-] Asafum@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

God no, I don't even want to live this life let alone living more!

[-] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Well now I'm sad. Hope things get better soon for you.

[-] Asafum@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Ahhh! Sorry to bring you down! I hope breadcat can make you smile!

[-] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

It does. May the sun shine gently on you both.

[-] UnequalExchange@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

aww that was a wholesome interaction

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[-] Krusty@quokk.au 2 points 23 hours ago

I already do that. And like the jelly fish I just don't remember.

[-] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago
[-] Krusty@quokk.au 2 points 18 hours ago

I can suggest Alan Watts "out of your mind." Also mind over mind.

https://youtu.be/2IkyQfHcSEE

I can't tell you his main points but I'll try to give a couple. I can only tell you how I take it.

Every living thing thinks itself a person. Every living thing has/is/will be a manifestation of the universe and all these things go together and just like I have a foot I have a son or sun and these things are inseparable.

Just like a universe makes galaxies and galaxies make solar systems and solar systems make planets and planets make trees and those trees make apples those planets also make people.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

I don't think it matters if you don't have memory. it lacks your ego and not make any decisions based on your experiences. Its basically like saying would you be ok with a clone made of you.

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[-] IWW4@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

..IF it is just your body coming back and nothing or your mind that it isn’t me coming back.

There are already way too many humans on this planet now. That would just mean that this planet would have 120 Billion people on it.

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[-] Waterpumpee@lemmus.org 4 points 1 day ago

Sounds like cloning.

We already have a way of doing that but in a evolutionary more successfull way. It's called fucking and having offspring. Some people opt in doing that, others dont.

If the memory erased thing was off the table we'd have a different talk but parents raising kids and make them learn from their experience is as close as it gets. With access to all sorts of info our way of doing it is even better. One thing im truly missing though is passing learned skills like guitar or muscles to our clones. Re-learning all that shit is a waste of time.

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[-] Object@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

More time to do more stuff, so yeah. There's billions of things you can be famous for. Tackling one at a time sounds fun.

Assuming reset is not messy, though.

Edit: Without memory I suppose my plan wouldn't work that well.

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