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[–] 191 points 2 months ago (6 children)

We all knew infection was the best protection.

Statistically speaking, yes, comparing the group who had had COVID vs the group that was vaccinated, in subsequent COVID infections those who had had the disease were less likely to die.

Because those in the infection group who were most likely to die of COVID had already died. Turns out surviving COVID is a good indicator of your ability to survive COVID.

The statistics on unvaccinated first-time COVID vs vaccinated first-time COVID tells a very different story.

This kind of bullshit frustrates me so much.

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    [–] 69 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    We tried immunity via infection. Over a million people died.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    But the survivors did great! You Demoncrats keep hiding the FACTS and SCIENCE 😮‍💨

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  • [–] 36 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Has Rand Paul ever gotten a cold? He must have only done so once and now has lifetime immunity.

    I remember the time I got the flu. Boy was it awful, but I'm so glad I can't ever get it again.

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    [–] 33 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, infection is the best protection... If you survive your first infection, which an awful lot of people didn't, and many more still developed life long disability as a result.

    So I think I speak for most when I say I'd rather take the vaccine, so my chances of dying/being hospitalised were way lower if I ever got the real thing.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    "Infection is the best protection" sounds fucking crazy

    I get the context, I get the point

    But it's still crazy

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Its literally the idea behind a vaccine anyway. You are deliberately infected with something that mimics a marker for the virus (or sometimes a deactivated virus) in order for your body to deal with it before it fucking kills you.

    These idiots are arguing for vaccines without even knowing it.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That's the idea behind Edward Jenner's smallpox vaccine, but only a few modern vaccines give live pathogens, or even neutralised pathogens as vaccines.

    The COVID RNA vaccines (e.g. Pfizer/Moderna) contained messenger RNA that gave instructions to your body to construct proteins found on the surface of the COVID virus (specifically the spike proteins). Your immune system would then train itself on them.

    You're not getting a small dose of virus, or even any parts of the virus, dead or alive. You're getting instructions on how to make a substance that the virus also contains. It's very impressive tech, but I do worry that it could be given blanket approval post-covid. The RNA instructions are just a delivery mechanism. What matters, from a safety point of view, is what the instructions tell the body to make.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    My favorite is that these chucklefucks treat COVID like it was all Dr Fauci's fault, as if every major country in the world didn't also have vaccine strategies in place. The moment you explain the rest of the world doing it better than America, they stare at you like deer in headlights.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    The core problem with all this anti-vax bullshit, is that Vaccines worked..and they worked too well.

    We have entire generations now that have never seen the terrible consequences of Polio, Smallpox, Measels (Although thats quickly changing, Go America! /s), or any other disease thats been eliminated (at least at one point.. Go America! /s) from popular concern and conscious.

    and as a result, they have no idea what crippling horrors that they have been, and are actively, protected from.

    and because humans are, generally, stupid and irrational and a lot of them lack the capability to think about anything beyond what they can see within 3 feet around them, they scream about the vaccines and call them evil because they have absolute no experience with the alternative, which is the diseases themselves.

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    [–] 17 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Rand Paul is vaccinated. Reminder to tell anyone who brings him up that fact.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    All conservatives are. Even the most vehement anti-vax ones.

    Fox News didnt let anyone in the building without a vaccine card at one point.

    But conservative voters always conveniently ignore and pretend not to remember all of this.

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    [–] 17 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    remember rand paul is the other SENATOR of kentucky, along with mitch.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    So the good folk of Kentucky are represented by one dead senator and the other just brain-dead. I wonder what their internal monologue is convincing themselves that this is something that actually succeeds in "owning the libs"

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Reminder: The neoeugenics movement wants to ban vaccines for the masses, so that the poor will die from preventable diseases.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Disease mutates if left to eat through the masses. It will mutate into something that kills them too. What an idiotic idea, I struggle to believe these people actually think this way.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I think the problem was rooted in public trust. Many people were required to vaccine due to their work or where they lived and vaccine manufacturers were largely sheltered from product lawsuits. Putting these two things together has a corrosive effect on public trust.

    https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-i-sue-if-im-harmed-by-the-coronavirus-vaccine.html

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    What injuries? Who has been denied a case here? The standard requiring documented negligence seems completely reasonable, these are highly studied and highly documented items.

    If you ride an elevator and you get a headache, you can't just sue the elevator manufacturer. That elevator was inspected at every step and was known to work, there is a very high bar for you to prove that the elevator caused the headache. Bringing lawyers in is a waste of everyone's time and money. Vaccines, even the coronavirus vaccines, are 100x as safe as those elevators.

    Americans are over-litigious and uneducated about medicine.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    It's not so much that Americans are uneducated.... it's more that a large portion have developed a resistance to being educated....one could perhaps say they're vaccinated against knowledge.

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    [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    I don't think the "science" Rand Paul follows is really science .

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    Or, more likely, he submitted false results and went un-vaccinated

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Unless he faked the creds.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Well, no, conservatives operate on 'rules for thee not for me'. There's no reason to assume Paul was vaccinated based on events he attended requiring vaccination.

    I don't doubt that he was, but you can't draw a line between the things listed in the post.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    medical science has shown that long covid fucks with the brain. now, is this an "easy out" for stupid people, or do we really have to consider it

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Rand Paul is compromised.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Infection is the best protection? Alright then Rand, please get infected with HIV so that you may be protected from it in the future. Better yet, expose yourself to Marburg virus so you’ll never have to use a vaccine ever again. Doesn’t sound so smart now does it?

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