Artificial intelligence labs are in a new arms race to buy up millions of rare books, slicing them open, scanning the pages and pulping the remains — sparking concerns that the last remaining copies of out-of-print texts are being destroyed on an industrial scale.

ISBNdb notes that “print books from the pre-LLM era are structurally guaranteed to be free of this contamination”.

“Millions of the most valuable books have never been digitised. They exist only in physical form, scattered across library shelves, used bookstores, and out-of-print catalogues. We get them to you at scale.”

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[–] 141 points 2 months ago (16 children)

I really hope the AI bubble pops soon and takes at least some of these stupid companies with it. They've been operating at a GIANT loss for years at this point, how much longer will this go on?

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  • [–] 66 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

    The way I see the situation is that every single AI company can clearly see the massive wall they are speeding ever faster towards, they see it and can also see that it is a massive wall, thick and sturdy.

    There is however one thing that keeps them pushing the accelerator down hard against the floor, the delusion that they alone are smart enough to find the prefect weakpoint where they can smash through to the promised land of massive promises, while everyone else is just flattened against the wall.

    It is extreme narcissism combined with yes men powering this shit.

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    [–] 66 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Good way to prepare for rewriting history to their liking. Shredding/destroying the books should be illegal in this regard.

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    [–] 64 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    Does anyone remember circa 2014 that radical jihadists in the middle east were destroying ancient and medieval artifacts, including stone heads? And I remember here in the liberal west we thought that was awful.

    This is not the only thing that makes me think of that. Also Trump's recent calls to reduce the size of US national parks and open them up to oil and uranium mining exploitation.

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    [–] 54 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Literally 1984 Fahrenheit 451

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    [–] 52 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    "We must destroy this precious archive of humanity so our competitors can't also scan it"

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  • [–] 48 points 2 months ago (19 children)

    You have got to be fucking kidding me

    You people have no idea how much I want AI banned all across everything. I don't care about anything at this point. These people are EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL. Pure breed CRIMINALS

    Fucking 90% of the books I read are "rare"

    "Oh, but there's SOME benefits to having AI", says some person on the internet that had it shoved down their throat by their boss. No. Fuck you. Fuuuuuuck you all the way.

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    [–] 41 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Destroying the an endangered book feels like it should be criminal no?

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    [–] 38 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    “I personally have mixed feelings about all of this,” one small bookseller told tech news website 404 Media last week.

    The bookseller explained that in April, he suddenly went from selling around 20 books per week to hundreds — including obscure and out-of-print works.

    “It benefits me financially as well as by clearing out old inventory that is otherwise unlikely to sell,” he said. “I’ve been well suited for these sales with inventory from overseas and foreign language books. On the other hand, I don’t like the end-use, and I don’t like that uncommon books are being pulped.”

    Then stop selling rare and out of print books to an AI company, you fucking doorknob.

    Greed knows no bounds.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 months ago* (18 children)

    What's the point of destroying books after scanning them instead of reselling them apart from *hurr durr we are evil*?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Do make sure that knowledge is only available through their model and otherwise lost to humanity.

    Same with bombarding small websites until they give up and pull the plug.

    Everything is fucked

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    [–] 33 points 2 months ago

    Anthropic described the project as “our effort to disruptively scan all the world’s books” in an internal memo, which noted “we do not want it to be known that we are pursuing this project”.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    This sounded like clownish villainy in Rainbows End. I swear these guys are compulsively drawn to the worst parts of SciFi.

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    [–] 30 points 2 months ago

    That's fucking evil.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago

    “Book burning, you say?”

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Because when you destroy the publicly available source you become the only available source. Paid, of course.

    The final nail in the coffin for humanity, locking knowledge behind digital sources that are inaccessible in event of catastrophe.

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    [–] 24 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    You know what, burn the whole fucking planet down. I'm done with this clown-ass species.

    I just dont even know what to say about the intentional destruction of knowledge

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    [–] 22 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Combine this mass burning of humanity's canon with the onslaught of AI generated nonsense and think about what is doing to do our history and knowledge going forward.

    Humanity is being dragged into a black hole by tech-fetishist demons.

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    [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    This makes me tear up a bit. All those lost books...

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    That's absolutely disgusting. At this rate, governments should really be stepping in and stopping all this.

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    [–] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    So they can gatekeep knowledge? Got it.

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    [–] 15 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    To be honest, I'd be MUCH less against this practice if this shredding at the very least included saving the original scans at at least 300 dpi for everyone to access, freely.

    Ideally, they wouldn't cut them by the spine, but even giving the despined ones to an archive/library would be just above the unpermissible line.

    Despining, scanning and public access archiving is borderline permissible.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago

    "It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?" Stupid AI!

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    They're making it really hard to like them.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Library of Alexandria II

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Why cant they rebind them in some sort of ring binder? I guess the answer is money, but that should be possible no?

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    [–] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I hope when the bubble bursts the cunts making these kinds of decisions are so distraught by their losses they resort to suicide.

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    [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The bookseller explained that in April, he suddenly went from selling around 20 books per week to hundreds — including obscure and out-of-print works.

    “It benefits me financially as well as by clearing out old inventory that is otherwise unlikely to sell,” he said.

    I hate the AI slop as much as the next guy, but these are books nobody wanted. They were going to rot on the shelf until being thrown out. Just being rare doesn't mean it's particularly valuable.

    Hopefully they are retaining the digitized versions for release at some point in the future. I'd imagine they are, since they'd still need the raw data to train future models.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You can't determine what knowledge will be useful or valuable to someone in the future. Archaeologists have poured over receipts and shopping lists from ancient Egypt that were thrown away. It's why the Internet Archive backs up all the random webpages they do. There's no justification for mass destruction of books, especially since it's being done to train broadly useless LLMs.

    Of course they won't be releasing these books later on. These companies want to hoard this text data so their competitors can't access it. It would also be illegally distributing copyrighted work. Aside from destructive scanning being faster, the fact that a book is destroyed makes the digital copy "transformative" and therefore legal if it isn't further copied or distributed. A judge ruled on this recently. I don't mean to advocate for copyright enforcement, but that's the reality here.

    I think China has a national repository of AI training data that companies can access if they contribute to it as well. Doing the same thing in the West would at least blunt some of the harm the AI craze is causing, but that would have made too much sense.

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