I really hope the AI bubble pops soon and takes at least some of these stupid companies with it. They've been operating at a GIANT loss for years at this point, how much longer will this go on?
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Good way to prepare for rewriting history to their liking. Shredding/destroying the books should be illegal in this regard.
Does anyone remember circa 2014 that radical jihadists in the middle east were destroying ancient and medieval artifacts, including stone heads? And I remember here in the liberal west we thought that was awful.
This is not the only thing that makes me think of that. Also Trump's recent calls to reduce the size of US national parks and open them up to oil and uranium mining exploitation.
Literally 1984 Fahrenheit 451
"We must destroy this precious archive of humanity so our competitors can't also scan it"
So it can’t be traced that they’ve used said books for training data.
You have got to be fucking kidding me
You people have no idea how much I want AI banned all across everything. I don't care about anything at this point. These people are EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL. Pure breed CRIMINALS
Fucking 90% of the books I read are "rare"
"Oh, but there's SOME benefits to having AI", says some person on the internet that had it shoved down their throat by their boss. No. Fuck you. Fuuuuuuck you all the way.
Destroying the an endangered book feels like it should be criminal no?
“I personally have mixed feelings about all of this,” one small bookseller told tech news website 404 Media last week.
The bookseller explained that in April, he suddenly went from selling around 20 books per week to hundreds — including obscure and out-of-print works.
“It benefits me financially as well as by clearing out old inventory that is otherwise unlikely to sell,” he said. “I’ve been well suited for these sales with inventory from overseas and foreign language books. On the other hand, I don’t like the end-use, and I don’t like that uncommon books are being pulped.”
Then stop selling rare and out of print books to an AI company, you fucking doorknob.
Greed knows no bounds.
How would a book seller know? Orders increase and you find out afterwards why. Bit hard to know ahead of time
What's the point of destroying books after scanning them instead of reselling them apart from *hurr durr we are evil*?
Cause to easily scan them they remove the binding and rebinding is more work %han destroyibg so the point is capitalism
Have you ever tried scanning a book? It's a huge PITA.
They just cut the binding off so they can be run through a document feeder.
To keep their competitors from buying them and scanning them.
Easier to scan if you cut the binding off, and it costs money to re-bind a book you purchased for 10 cents as part of a lot.
Do make sure that knowledge is only available through their model and otherwise lost to humanity.
Same with bombarding small websites until they give up and pull the plug.
Everything is fucked
Anthropic described the project as “our effort to disruptively scan all the world’s books” in an internal memo, which noted “we do not want it to be known that we are pursuing this project”.
This sounded like clownish villainy in Rainbows End. I swear these guys are compulsively drawn to the worst parts of SciFi.
Because when you destroy the publicly available source you become the only available source. Paid, of course.
The final nail in the coffin for humanity, locking knowledge behind digital sources that are inaccessible in event of catastrophe.
You know what, burn the whole fucking planet down. I'm done with this clown-ass species.
I just dont even know what to say about the intentional destruction of knowledge
Combine this mass burning of humanity's canon with the onslaught of AI generated nonsense and think about what is doing to do our history and knowledge going forward.
Humanity is being dragged into a black hole by tech-fetishist demons.
That's absolutely disgusting. At this rate, governments should really be stepping in and stopping all this.
So they can gatekeep knowledge? Got it.
To be honest, I'd be MUCH less against this practice if this shredding at the very least included saving the original scans at at least 300 dpi for everyone to access, freely.
Ideally, they wouldn't cut them by the spine, but even giving the despined ones to an archive/library would be just above the unpermissible line.
Despining, scanning and public access archiving is borderline permissible.
Also, if every AI company does this, then it's more books gone. If they cooperated they'd only need to do it once. Good scans of all books in the public domain would be so useful for us all as society.
Why cant they rebind them in some sort of ring binder? I guess the answer is money, but that should be possible no?
I hope when the bubble bursts the cunts making these kinds of decisions are so distraught by their losses they resort to suicide.
The bookseller explained that in April, he suddenly went from selling around 20 books per week to hundreds — including obscure and out-of-print works.
“It benefits me financially as well as by clearing out old inventory that is otherwise unlikely to sell,” he said.
I hate the AI slop as much as the next guy, but these are books nobody wanted. They were going to rot on the shelf until being thrown out. Just being rare doesn't mean it's particularly valuable.
Hopefully they are retaining the digitized versions for release at some point in the future. I'd imagine they are, since they'd still need the raw data to train future models.
You can't determine what knowledge will be useful or valuable to someone in the future. Archaeologists have poured over receipts and shopping lists from ancient Egypt that were thrown away. It's why the Internet Archive backs up all the random webpages they do. There's no justification for mass destruction of books, especially since it's being done to train broadly useless LLMs.
Of course they won't be releasing these books later on. These companies want to hoard this text data so their competitors can't access it. It would also be illegally distributing copyrighted work. Aside from destructive scanning being faster, the fact that a book is destroyed makes the digital copy "transformative" and therefore legal if it isn't further copied or distributed. A judge ruled on this recently. I don't mean to advocate for copyright enforcement, but that's the reality here.
I think China has a national repository of AI training data that companies can access if they contribute to it as well. Doing the same thing in the West would at least blunt some of the harm the AI craze is causing, but that would have made too much sense.

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