The Dothraki are often said to be Mongol hordes but fantasy-coded. No it's not historically accurate: that's the point. They have design elements that are redolent of something real, while deviating as much as the author likes.

Many such cases! High fantasy is redolent of mediæval Europe. Na'vi are redolent of Native Americans


So what would a fantasy realm look like if it's [definitely-not-the-USA-but-also-clearly-the-USA]?

I'm having a harder time than expected doing this.

By 'fantasy' I mean specifically the sort that seems mediæval – no electricity, no steam-engine. But if you want to go off in the comments imagining sci-fi or another genre I can't stop you.


  • Overconfident vulgarity. Talk too loud.
  • individualist rhetoric
  • they deeply believe they are free, but have a particular meaning of 'freedom' that excludes financial stability and emphasises individualism. They blame the poor for their own poverty.
  • evangelical monotheistic religion
  • take big lacquered wagons everywhere when other nations walk
  • obsessed with big crossbows
  • generally, everything is oversized
  • core myth "we are a union of free states, who defend liberty and our way of life, and spread freedom to others"
  • invaded their land 200 years ago and wiped out the indigenous
  • other countries talk about how bad their food is
  • obesity
  • large wealth inequality and it is racialised. Hospitals, schools are privately owned at extortionate prices (contrasting with other realms in the world)
  • roads have tolls (not particularly the case in the modern USA, but it hammers home the private-ownership point)
  • They view other prosperous nations as weak if they help the poor, or as barbarian if they're poor
  • their gladiatorial games are scripted and tacky
  • Militarily, they favour artillery bombardment and aerial bombardment from eagles or rocs or whatever the world has. Bombardment of civilian areas. The war crime of using Agent Orange war is one note that is easy to directly transfer

That seems like a long list but I don't find it very satisfying. I wish I could think of a handful of elements that could signify the USA. The use of red+white+blue and the big wagons are the closest I have so far.

Interested in hearing suggestions for the ruler's name and the country's name too.

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[–] 24 points 2 months ago

I think there's context of specific eras of US history that could improve this.

For contemporary US most of these work pretty well. I think the main faction in Fury Road is a good analog to consider too.

Illogical patriotism of the serfs is also a strong hallmark. Thinly veiled to conspicuous racism is another that highlights the spectrum of false consciousness under the surface of the patriotism. Corrupt guilds that supply the military with ineffective supplies would also really work well.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago

    Hospitals and schools being small private institutions exclusively serving the rich nobility is kind of inherent to the feudal mode of production tbh

    It takes a long fucking time to make a doctor or professor especially when every book has to be copied by hand

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    i remember being given some baby's first anthropology essay in elementary school and they were writing about how weird Nacirema culture was.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    Have you read Malazan: Book of the Fallen? The Lether Empire is only introduced in the 5th book but it's capitalist to its bones and expands by incorporating and "civilizing" tribal neighbors for the sake of profit. They favor opening bombardments of artillery like magic. Highly recommend the whole series, world building alone is great.

    Edit: for your world, you also want some oil analogue too. Also straight up plantation slavery. Probably also design it as a loose confederation of kingdoms/lordships with geographic diversity but only surface level cultural distinctions. I really like the eagle bombardment idea, make sure they are extravagantly expensive to breed and maintain. Maybe show some peasants losing their land for an eagle habitat. Roads and bridges should be massive but crumbling in the current era because lords refuse to pay taxes to maintain them.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago

    make sure they are extravagantly expensive to breed and maintain. Maybe show some peasants losing their land for an eagle habitat

    This is easy because eagles/dragons eat meat, and a peasants wealth is measured in livestock. Could have the eagles/dragons eating the common folks goats and cattle and they're forbidden from objecting.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    just use a Roman Empire analog

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    they have some stuff in common like the pax and the eagle and being a republic but very authoritarian

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    just make them pretend they are not authoritarian

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago*

    romans absolutely pretended that law mattered to them while twisting it backwards and inside-out to do whatever horrible shit they wanted. they were almost always careful to not start an offensive war. they started defensive wars that somehow mysteriously ended up with them expanding.

    they were also big on dehumanizing colonialist propaganda about "barbarians". as well as noble savage type shit.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    One of their big things has to be like a break from monarchy and anti- monarchist iconoclasm only for the founders to be raised up to semi deific proportions. Maybe even a mountain with their faces on it? nah that'd be an insane level of worship

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    A quasi-religious process for state decision making that they claim means the decisions they make aren’t a reflection of their agenda, but rather are divinations of the process, and they are merely but pass-throughs for that holy ruling.

    Captures both that evangelical apologia of “I didn’t choose to deny queer people their rights, I’m just doing what the Bible says,” and that liberal attitude of “our particular implementation of democratic ideals is the true one.”

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    The culture should venerate the idea of social mobility but in reality be an ossified social structure with a quasi-nobility running everything of note. Sure some random peasant manages to build his smithing side hustle into a successful horse-shoeing business but he has to buy his raw materials from the Mining Guild which has been run by House Musc for half-a-dozen generations (it's totally democratic though, it just happens they're really good at running the mines, definitely no nepotism or backdoor deals)

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    The Years of Apocalypse has one in Akana Praediar. It's a time loop story and they spend basically the first third of the story bombing a school in every loop.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    First thought was Andoran from Pathfinder's Golarian worldsetting

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Some I've thought of since posting –

    • Other cultures are thousands of years old, they are 200 and brash.
    • phrases like "We are the greatest nation on Earth", "We're Number One" can be directly transferred
    • They are a rich country, and use their wealth to corrupt overseas regimes, influence them to privatise
    • Their spies have funded rebels in other countries and orchestrated coups
    • lumberjacks, used to be fur trappers and gold prospectors
    • 1% of their population enslaved in prisons on flimsy pretexts
    • core myth "we are a union of free states, who defend liberty and our way of life, and spread freedom to others"
    • Fast food chains with brand-names could actually work in a mediæval type setting: a large financial interest owns them and makes the food the same everywhere. Result = obesity.
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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I think you're using modern US for the basis of this, but I think you can get a lot of mileage from also borrowing from the 1800s. Make it a 100 year old kingdom, or even less. Make the indigenous genocide ongoing instead of in the past. Have lords that are constantly threatening to secede and then get rewarded.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 months ago

    I think you're using modern US for the basis of this, but I think you can get a lot of mileage from also borrowing from the 1800s

    Anachronism is the name of the game isn't it? Mashing up different vaguely related times&places with no regard for accuracy is normal in worldbuilding. Wuxia has things from totally different dynasties. The Lord of The Rings has this.

    I listed lumberjacks because lumberjacks just feel very 'American' to me (or very Canadian) even tho it's not a common job today.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    18th and 19th century American character names could work, e.g.

    • Grover
    • Nathaniel
    • Enoch
    • Walter
    • Harriet
    • Eliza
    • Edgar
    • Phyllis
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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, those rule. Theodore and Woodrow might be too on the nose.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    In Michael Swanwick's The Iron Dragon's Daughter, the elves who rule Faerie are always at risk of sublimating away; they must inflict as much pathos and involve themselves in as much drama and vice as they can to tether themselves to the mortal world.

    The titular Iron Dragons are the equivalent of bombers, powered by viciously intelligent spirits from the elemental plane of fire, who have voluntarily enslaved themselves to the elvish MIC in order to have a chance to consume something (there is nothing left to burn on their home plane).

    Since cold iron is lethally toxic to elves, human children are abducted from Earth and changelings are left in their place. The human children grow up working in factories that handle iron, including the ones which build the dragon airframes, and then are used to breed half-elves, who are raised in officer school to pilot the dragons.

    All the content warnings for anyone considering reading it.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    How do you take out an iron dragon? Ballista maybe?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Within the setting, machines require a captive spirit to run, and the more complex or fine the machine, the more intelligent the spirit you need. The iron dragons' bodies are jet aircraft with a sophisticated sensor suite as well as magical fire, telepathy, and illusions, so presumably you'd need radar and AD batteries with spirits capable of contending with that. Or your own iron dragons.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    big lacquered wagons

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You could look toward the Empire of Man and the Brettonians from warhammer fantasy for a little inspiration.

    Empire of Man is more holy roman empire coded, while the other is more Feudalist high medieval coded. Still both have aspects of the things you're discussing.

    A more scifi approach would be empire of Man from Warhammer 40k.

    Careful not to get lost in the lore.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Dark Elves are the Americans of Warhammer Fantasy:

    • Separated from the rest of Elf society because their incestuous demon king wasn't crowned king.
    • Moved to a continent in the northwest part of the world and wiped out the indigenous population.
    • Believe freedom is when you're allowed to inflict cruelty to others.
    • Slavers
    • Believe in Elf supremacy.
    • Have various death cults due to their nihilistic view of the rest of the world.

    I think some of the old staff have said as much.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    New Crobuzon (I think that's the spelling) from Perdido st. Station and its sequels by China Mieville is a good example in a less conventional fantasy setting.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 months ago

    oh I have a good one:

    they have free and fair, democratic elections, where the people are free to elect whatever ruler they choose

    there are two royal bloodlines

    the people choose between the two

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago*

    The Flesheater courts from Warhammer. A cult of bloodthirsty ghouls who fully believe they are noble knights

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    I was making the enemies of my next D&D campaign a stand-in for the US empire, so I'll be watching this thread with great interest.

    My own ideas involved having them use dragons to represent the US's dominating air power, like the Targaryens on Game of Thrones. I also like the idea of them being more advanced politically, maybe a magna carta-like thing to give nobles more power over the royal leaders, that they use to flaunt their superiority over other kingdoms, while basically still being ruled by the rich over the poor.

    I just thought of it now inspired by this thread, but maybe they also allow people to buy their way into nobility, which they use as a marker of social mobility. It's another thing to show their liberal/progressive credentials to other places or people, while in actuality inequality has been increasing and social mobility has been decreasing from those who have reached the top that have been squeezing the people below them, essentially kicking the ladder away.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    So a fat version of Spartans from 300?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    I have just learned that there's iron crossbow-types: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheiroballistra

    Normal guys: normal wooden crossbows

    Seppos: big iron crossbows

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