Risk is rising as big tech companies like Oracle — the ultimate financial source of the Ellison media empire — need to turn to the bond market for staggering sums to finance data centers.

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[–] 133 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Is it borrowed money or is it actually fictional non-existent money?

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  • [–] 48 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Kind of an odd phrase, given that money as a concept is fundamentally both of those things at all times.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    You know what? That's completely fair. We made it up, like the easter bunny.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago*

    Or is it money that has now been turned into fictional non-existent money, because it was stolen from our own future, where it was previously being held (we thought) safely in trust for us. They're stealing the money from us. From our taxes, from our government funds and institutions, from our pensions. It's our money. At least it nominally was, before all this happened. We're being looted. The robbers are in our vault, they are packing our money into bags labelled "AI" as we speak.

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    [–] 74 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    The entire world is running on borrowed money

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    Which means someone is out there collecting the interest cost of all that magic money...

    Guess who it is!

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Satan. Capitalisms biggest fan, next to right wing christians

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Hey, Satan got shafted. They asked some questions about the status quo, felt the hereditary monarchy was unfair, led a popular protest, and got exiled as a result. No more anti-Satan Jehovan propoganda.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Depends on if you look at the character from a Christian point of view, or as an outsider. Because from a objective point of view, he looks like the good guy in the bible. I was just telling my point from their point of view

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    [–] 50 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    What's cool is we'll soon be propping these shitbags up with tax money, so the whole thing doesn't go bankrupt.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Too big to fail. Privatize the profits, socialize the losses. Unless we can vote in enough representatives that won't put up with that absolute bullshit.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago*

    Yeah, this is exactly the problem with monopolies. They got too big to fail and they expect a fucking bail out from the taxpayers every time.

    We should let them fail. We should break them up in a smaller pieces. The pieces that don’t make any money disappear. The ones that have some financial stability should continue to exist.

    But the true purpose of capitalism is efficiency through Consolidation. The only way to limit capitalisms damaging affects is by regulation. Which will never happen in our current environment because the capitalist oligarch scumfucks bought all parts of the government in order to continue to receive free money from the banks and the government when they fuck up.

    Oh by the way, they also want to take all the proceeds from their ludicrous stoxk valuations when the stock market is good and they want to take your pension fund when the stocks tank because they fucked up and spent all of everyone else’s money.

    Maybe if we don’t pay them out this time private equity will learn something and stop buying and ruining companies in order to invest the ridiculous proceeds into stupid risky speculation on unproven technology.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    No worries, it's only American tax payers footing the bill and they voted for this.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    People in the rest of the world will also be affected for at least two reasons:

    1. Pension funds throughout the world is invested in US big tech, and if these companies fall in value, so will their pensions.
    2. A financial crisis caused by US big tech could cause a US recession which will also damage the economies of the rest of the world.
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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    As I've pointed out elsewhere pension funds may be exposed to AI but the money in your personal fund doesn't need to be. If you haven't already moved your retirement investment out of shares then see if that's possible. I've changed mine to conservative settings already and looking at the list its mainly in cash, property, farming and a few manufacturers now with no tech stocks at all. That seems a sensible mix for when the market collapses this time around.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 month ago

    Borrowed money, creative accounting, stolen data.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Fun fact, over half of the S&P 500 have market caps over 10x revenue.

    This has not ended well for companies in the past.

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    [–] 25 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    ::: capitalism ::: is running on borrowed money.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago*

    If we're counting training material and the environmental cost they're passing onto everyone else, also stolen money.

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  • Tech executives stuffing suitcases with the cash of average families pensions and 401k funds before saluting and running out the back door for their new mega yacht moored in the cayman islands.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Soon it will be running on tax dollars. That's the only way this ends.

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    [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    A.I. Is Running Out of Borrowed Money. FTFY.

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    [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Looks like the bubble is about to burst, oof

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    At a quick search the total debt for all US households is 18.8trillion.

    For AI tech companies that is 0.7t, though this probally doesn't include shadow banking credit, which reports say is estimated to be dangerously high.

    The that that these numbers are only one decimal order apart is despicable. We're talking a handful of AI megacorps vs literally every single individual.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago*

    We could have prevented this, but the boomers were cheering that their sons have to go back to the factories from all the office jobs, AI promised to automate...

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    crash is coming. not here yet but these businesses cant manufacture acceptance

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    [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    So it's being acknowledged in the mainstream news now. That's going to be a bumpy ride in quarter 4.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    And at some point they'll claim it back

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