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If you bought a Tesla after January 2025, you may be fundamentally confused about the difference between accelerating forward and smashing into brick walls.
Did Musk tell them that?
Electronic data recovered from the vehicle indicated that before the crash, the driver manually overrode FSD (Supervised) by pressing the accelerator pedal to 100%
So no, looks like they checked the logs.
I was kinda assuming the driver messed up this time. The fact that it was pressed to 100% through the crash and still after makes me think he thought it was the brake.
Yeah. That's always been my nightmare driving a regular car too, the "stop" and "go faster" buttons are right next to each other and in a place you can't see them. Such a weird standard, presumably a result of the requirement for physical linkages from early in car history. Would have been nice if electric vehicles had provided an opportunity to rethink that paradigm.
The reason for the gas/brake being next to eachother is due to the historical need to work the clutch pedal at the same time as the gas/brake in manual transmissions. However most modern EVs (including tesla model 3s) have single-pedal driving (press to go, release to slow), so the standard is indeed changing!
IDK how those logs are generated or kept but I don't put it passed Elon to have data rewritten in the event of or just prior to an expected crash. I've also heard reports of cars disengaging autopilot just before a crash to claim the "driver was in control" during the crash.
Warl0k3 has posted elsewhere in this thread with information about how these logs are generated and kept, they're event data recorders. They need to meet federal standards which presumably would include protections against having the data rewritten like that. Seems likely that if this was being done it would be a serious crime and probably a bigger news story than the crash itself, do you have any actual sources?
He did in fact, before the investigation was concluded. Read the article.
Both at fault. Buyer is idiot for purchasing it and builder for producing it. One more, Govt for approving this flaming piece-o-shit.
There's only 1 way they could know that and that's if the prolific liar told them it did.
They checked the car's logs.
No, they asked the prolific liar to provide the logs.
Really. Do you have any sources that indicate that?
I love EVs. But stop defending Tesla. Even if it was true that the driver pressed the accelerator to 100%, it's irrelevant. If the FSD put the car in a collision trajectory and the driver got scared and accidentally pressed the accelerator instead of the brake in the last second, it's still the fault of FSD. The accelerator made it worse, but the car would still have crashed.
What "defending?" I'm explaining where they got the information from. It's literally in their preliminary report. I said nothing beyond that fact.
What other possible scenario exists?
They read the logs themselves. The NTSB routinely does investigations and Teslas are a popular brand of car, why wouldn't they have the ability to read their logs?
Do you think the company that created the logging system doesn't have the capability to remotely manipulate the logs?
Actually yes. Event data recorders are highly regulated components, and Teslas especially are quite frequently tested for compliance (because nobody trusts them. They're fascists). As far as I am aware (and to be clear I've looked into this rather extensively) there has never been any indication that Tesla has the ability to manipulate information stored in the EDR system, and if indications of it were found it would likely result in the temporary suspension of road certification for all affected models while the issue was investigated - the NTSB's nuclear option.
Well TIL, thanks
Capability, sure. Do you think they actually did, though? That's a positive assertion that I would want to see some kind of actual evidence for beyond an assertion by some random commenter on the Internet.
I suspect you don't have any evidence because if there was I think that would probably be by far the bigger story here. Which is why I expect Tesla would refrain from taking the risk of tampering with logs in situations like this.
I'm not making a positive assertion, just expressing a heaping amount of skepticism. I don't have any evidence beyond the fact that the evidence NHTSA is using comes from a prolific liar and conman and taking the most logical and rational position accordingly. I wouldn't accept the logs as proof.
While I respect skepticism as in this case it's especially warranted, I do want to point out that you've gotten the investigatory body wrong - the NHTSA is not the NTSB. The NTSB preliminary report itself is really very straightforward and does not at all exculpate Tesla in this incident - a likely reason for that is highlighted in the Ars article:
For example, a Tesla defect known as “Sudden Unintended Acceleration” can occur when “components of the vehicle require additional power” and the draw on the battery causes “significant spikes in the system,” their lawsuit explained. If that happened to Butler’s car, the inverter may “incorrectly interpret that the accelerator pedal has been pressed” and rapidly advance to dangerous speeds.
It is fairly clear in the above NTSB release that they do not have proof positive that the accelerator was physically depressed, just that the logs indicate that is what happened. That ambiguity/uncertainty is likely the reason they have opened a special investigation into this incident, and given the vast horizons of potential biases in reporting about this tragedy I agree that best practice will be to look primarily at what the source has said, and treat speculation (both for or against Tesla) with a healthy degree of skepticism.
Edit: Further, the NTSB is likely pulling this data directly from the EDR itself - a device that must adhere to some extremely strict federal standards on retrieval and data integrity. Teslas do automatically report this information out to Tesla's servers in the event of a crash, but there has never been any indication I have been able to find that Tesla has even the capability to edit the information stored on the device itself - and the EDR is a system component frequently audited by numerous independent bodies for compliance, including that most reliable of compliance tester: open source enthusiasts.
Edit 2: clarity
EVs with that kind of acceleration are fun and all but when you mix up gas and brake there’s no time to consider the possibility that occurred before the car is where it shouldn’t be.
this post was submitted on 17 Jul 2026
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