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[–] 109 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

Shooting at fleeing suspects is absolutely not legal without actual articulable facts that they pose a threat to the public. This isn't even a legal defense.

Arguably, this is a murder confession.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It would seem they are training the public to fight for their lives when ICE comes knocking. At some point ICE thugs will be ran over, shot, or stabbed if they keep doing this shit. Or maybe we'll just roll over and let them walk all over us, murder us in the streets, and be sent to die in a concentration camp.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I think that's on purpose. When people recognize ICE is just as likely to murder them as arrest them, then they'll start fighting back.

    Once people start fighting back, the administration can use that as justification to declare things like insurgencies and national emergencies.

    Also, their propaganda works a lot better on morons when they can show their noble and loyal gestapo pedophile protectors police being attacked by people defending themselves against tyrants evil bad people.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    I think it's quite clear at this point that DHS agents are being told/trained that ANY moving vehicle is automatically a threat to their lives or the public simply by the nature of it being a moving vehicle.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    In Germany a few years ago, police shot a fleeing non-violent weed dealer in the back of the head, instantly killing him. It was in a residential area, and the bullet flew right past a playing kid, iirc.

    It was ruled a good shooting, as it would not be acceptable for the public safety to risk that he might have gotten away.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Even it were legal, it's still incredibly stupid. Shooting the driver turns a controlled vehicle into an uncontrolled vehicle, which is way more dangerous. You're basically guaranteeing that the car is going to hit something or someone and cause collateral damage.

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  • [–] 75 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    "An officer discharged his weapon"..."The driver of the vehicle was struck"

    Quite intentionally using passive voice in that second statement as if the officer didn't intend to shoot the victim. This is murder.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    The passive voice is actually common in police reports throughout the United States. This is not new. (The passive voice is also a bad habit of journalists who report on officer-involved violence.)

    The difference now is that the state agents are loyal to the regime rather than the state. There's not even a pretense of enforcing the law.

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  • Police and their renfields need to be killed. There's no other way. We've tried everything else, there is no peaceful resolution and their violent escalation will never stop. You aren't safe while there are pigs loose in your city, even if you're a rich whote man-modern architecture isn't made to stop bullets.

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  • [–] 68 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Using the word "anymore" implies there was a time we could trust them. I feel this creates a false narrative.

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  • [+] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 44 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    It began operations on March 1, 2003, after being formed as a result of the Homeland Security Act of 2002, enacted in response to the September 11 attacks.

    It's wild how long ago it seems, but there has been extreme distrust in the DHS since the beginning, when it was clear that 9/11 was used to expand surveillance capabilities of the state.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Remember kids! The only purpose of police throughout history is to protect the property and wealth of the owning class. This is one way they achieve that goal.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Not even putting in the effort to lie convincingly. The final insult.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    How people haven't started shooting back i don't understand.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    truly. they will likely intensify their efforts if we do, but the only other option we have is to keep rolling over and allowing it.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I can't prove this, but I suspect they have some way of finding out who has a firearm, so they can avoid that person.

    I also suspect, but cannot prove, that the media will hide it when one of them gets shot. I say this because one of them got hit by a car and it wasn't nationwide news served up by tearful news anchors about this innocent agent who would never hurt a fly.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ice-agent-struck-by-fleeing-suspect-s-car-in-new-jersey/ar-AA25HuS7

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I can't prove this, but I suspect they have some way of finding out who has a firearm, so they can avoid that person.

    Nah someone carrying a "gun" just gives them a legal reason to shoot someone. Case in point Alex Pretti, Philando Castile, Daniel Shaver, Stephon Clark, Tamir Rice, etc. If an officer suspects you might be thinking about shooting then they can legally kill you.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    For starters its suicide. The law -- insomuch as it ever protected citizens-- flies right out the window if anyone shoots at or near a cop. And cops tend to get away with whatever they want.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    If I was going about my daily life with a 3 year old in the back I wouldn't be too interested in getting into a shootout either.

    But I agree, I'm waiting for a shoe to drop here, how much more tense can it be?

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    From another article...

    A witness told the Portland Press Herald that he heard gunshots, then saw an SUV attempting to “ram a small white car in the intersection” before agents in vests stopped the white car and pulled the man from the vehicle. Before he died, the victim was “bleeding profusely from the head,” that witness said. “He was talking. He said, ‘I tried to stop.’”

    Another witness told the Press Herald that the victim’s family was apparently at the scene of the shooting. As the man lay on the street, an “older woman” was present “with a distressed family,” including a toddler—a little girl in Bluey pajamas. “You took her dad, you took her dad!” the woman yelled.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    There's basically no reality in which I ever have a fragment of faith in this country again if ICE traitors aren't held accountable for their crimes the next time we have adults in charge.

    So I'm gearing up to hate this shithole for the rest of my life, cuz I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Perhaps, people who are in "fear" of everything, even as someone flees, should not have access to any kind of weapon, or sharp or long objects, for that matter. They should wear mittens.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    🌎🧑‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    lies have been SOP for the trump machine since day one. to expect otherwise is nice but ultimately fruitless

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    They weren't happy about it either but when they spun their "excuse wheel", that's what came up.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    celibacy, lack of accountability, racism and machismo are a helluva drug. And the media helping out by using the passive voice for the officers murder of that man is disgusting. What happened to journalism in the US.

    snowballs chance they will investigate this either, same as with Renee Good and the other 6 or so people.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    This is what happens when you have a man in charge with a double first name and a prior boss who had a cuckold bed on her private government funded jet. Trump is a genital wart on the American people.

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  • [+] 2 points 3 months ago