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[-] MurrayL@lemmy.world 79 points 1 week ago

There’s a similar incentive to this Windows 11 one, but for macOS. Yikes.

Not sure why that warrants a yikes; macOS is far more usable than Windows 11. I’d go so far as to call it downright pleasant in comparison.

[-] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 week ago

Maybe it's because I'm more used to windows but my experience any time I've had to use mac at work is I'd rather just be fired. At least with a bit of work you can set windows up to mostly fuck off but I've never figured out how to do that with mac so it aggressively gets in my way when coding and doing qa

[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

In what ways does it aggressively get in your way?

[-] phonics@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago

I hate the multi desktop stuff.

Drag a window to top of screen and it doesn't snap full screen fast enough or consistantly.

Doesn't like to display 1 window across 2 screens.

Sometimes a window will shoot off to the side past the visible desktop for god knows what reason.

You can't nativly set up the mouse scroll to work in reverse direction to the touch pad.

I'm still not sure how to uninstall things.

When my headphone cable is plugged in and I turn on the Mac it insists to make the boot sound though the speakers as an advertizment to the world that there is a Mac around.

If I click x on a browser or app, it doesnt actually shut the program, it just minimizes it.

I can't easily see the size of hard drives/folders and how much space is left available.

Files are just scattered willy nilly in a folder instead of snapped to a grid unless I set that folders defaults...per folder?! Instead of across the whole OS

They are my personal top of mind gripes.

[-] AnAmericanPotato@programming.dev 37 points 1 week ago

Longtime Mac user here. Most of this is valid, and some of these are my biggest gripes.

A couple tips:

I can’t easily see the size of hard drives/folders and how much space is left available.

In the Finder, go to View > Show Status Bar. That'll show you free space easily. (This used to be on by default. I don't remember when they changed it, probably with 10.7 Lion's increased iOS-ification.)

Files are just scattered willy nilly in a folder instead of snapped to a grid unless I set that folders defaults…per folder?!

From a Finder window in icon view, go to View > Show View Options. Select Sort By > Snap to Grid, then click "Use as Defaults". Then it will apply to all your folders that use the default view. Why is "Snap to grid" under "Sort" when it does not sort? WHO KNOWS?!

That said, icon view suuuuuucks. Learn to love list view and you will be happier for it. I gave up on icon view like 25 years ago, after migrating from Mac OS 9. Apple half-assedly ported the Mac OS 9 Finder, and then proceeded to neglect it for a decade or two. At least you can change the grid spacing now.

Doesn’t like to display 1 window across 2 screens.

I'm not totally sure how it works now, but I think this changes if you go to System Settings > Desktop and Dock and turn off the "Displays have Separate Spaces" box.

I’m still not sure how to uninstall things.

There's no universal method. :(

Basic case: just drag the app to the trash. This will leave your user settings in place in ~/Library/Preferences.

Complex cases should have a vendor-supplied uninstaller. For manual cleanup, you have to hunt through your /Library and ~/Library folders to delete related junk from the vendor. Mostly this will be in the LaunchAgents and Application Support folders. But again, no universal method.

If I click x on a browser or app, it doesnt actually shut the program, it just minimizes it.

This is the one thing I strongly disagree about, although I totally understand how it feels wrong when you've spent years learning different behavior.

It's one of the biggest fundamental differences between Mac and Windows UI design, going all the way back to the 80s: Windows is window-centric (I mean...hence the name, right?), while Mac OS is application-centric.

You can still interact with Mac applications with no windows open, via the menu bar. Closing a window and quitting an application are two entirely different concepts. This is not the same as "minimizing" the app. An app can be in the foreground with no open windows. There are plenty of times when I close the last window in an app with the intent to continue using the app (e.g. opening another file or creating a new one).

Fun fact: many years ago, Apple made a few of their apps behave this way by default, with an option to change it back to normal Mac behavior. TextEdit, Preview, and maybe QuickTime Player. Just those few. I guess they wanted to accommodate Windows users' expectations, but it was so half-assed that all it did was ensure that everyone was confused at some point by the inconsistency. They only recently changed it back so we have consistency by default again, but now there's no option at all. Go figure. I wouldn't mind if they implemented an option in a whole-assed way, but I'd go absolutely batty if Windows-like behavior were forced on me.

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[-] LifeLikeLady@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

Coming from an IT background. I 100% agree with this assessment.

[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

The scroll thing is annoying. I like the “natural” scroll on a touchpad but not a mouse also.

The multi desktop is the same as on Windows and Linux… I don’t use it on any system. I like how MacOS handles fullscreen apps better than either of those.

You can disable the startup sound very easily: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102230

I have only used mirroring to external monitor and not extending a desktop, so I don’t know. As far as maximization I personally hate windows expanding when I move them to the top of the screen. It’s rarely what I want so I turn it off. If I want to maximize it, I hit the green button.

You uninstall Apps by dragging their folder from the Applications folder to the trash can.

Closing the window and leaving the application running is how MacOS has worked forever for some Steve Jobs reason. I am used to hitting Cmd-Q.

The folder stuff can be weird. The way the Desktop icons work is one of the worst aspects, thigh they kind of fixed that (using expanding smart folders or whatever used to be chaos if they had a lot of items in them).

You can check the usage of a Volume from right clicking it in Finder and choosing Get Info. Or just df -h

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[-] GalacticRobot@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Maybe everyone has their biases, but MacOS is often terrible in comparison to Windows, at least in my experience. Hell simply things like snapping windows appropriately MacOS absolutely is trash at still.

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[-] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 50 points 1 week ago

For someone used to desktop Linux, where respect for the user, consistency, customisability, and performance are still held in high regard, Windows 11 feels like an endless string of punches in the face.

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[-] HollowNaught@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've been forced to use windows for some propriety software during uni. I got a laptop from IT with higher specs than my old one and:

  1. It runs worse than my old shitty laptop
  2. It boots up slower than my old shitty laptop
  3. The battery icon was missing from the taskbar for some ungodly reason (I had to get IT to force an update)
  4. The internet it gets is way worse than my old shitty laptop. I do not know why

So yeah I'm not using Windows 11 ever again

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I use windows 11 at work. I run solidworks, which is a 3D CAD/modeling program so my work computer is reasonably powerful with a decent chunk of RAM.

My laptop from 2020 uses mint. It's faster, although I havent tried to use solidworks on it because I'd have no idea where to start on getting that to run.

[-] osbo9991@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Only way I've found to get solidworks to run on Linux is to run a windows 11 VM using virtual machine manager (VMM). Ideally with GPU passthrough, among other optimizations. Kind of runs like shit on my Thinkpad T580 though, which is to be expected for an 8th gen quad core i5 laptop from 2018...

I've tried FreeCAD recently, and it isn't that bad. The latest updates (v1.0 and beyond) have made it much better than it used to be. It helps to watch video guides, as the workflows are a little different. I found this one to be helpful: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9cqs3oTzpac

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[-] Buckshot@programming.dev 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah i have to use W11 for work and the brand new Dell XPS, upper mid range, they gave me compared to my 2017 i3 with linux and all this is true.

About the half the time i boot it and the network just doesn't connect. Wired or WiFi. Have to unplug the dock and reconnect it. DNS will drop for 10s at random.

There's times my laptop shows it age like i was bulk processing a load of photos, just resizing, and it took several minutes when the newer cpu was probably several seconds but that's the hardware, not the software.

[-] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh, yes... to input specific characters or disable caps lock, one needs to hack the registry with hex codes...

Stunning Windows goes still as user-friendly.

Edit: If you were lacking a reason to try modern Linux user Interfaces, try GNOME desktop with PaperWM. It works great on my 40' display....

[-] rustydomino@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

You can use PowerToys for Windows to (among other things) disable caps lock. I’m no fan of Microsoft, but they do provide PowerToys for free and there is a lot of useful stuff in it.

[-] tb_@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

PowerToys is the sole reason I somewhat get along with binbows on my work laptop.

[-] KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago

I love powertoys. It's potentially (along with C#/.Net) the best thing Microsoft have made.

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[-] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago

Stunning Windows goes still as user-friendly.

I mean I get we are supposed to hate Windows here but highlighting a specific thing that very few people would even want to try and use that as a reason to doubt it's user friendliness is just picking at straws. There's tons of reasons that Windows can be interpreted as not user friendly already.

[-] MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 22 points 1 week ago

He’s completely overlooked the thing that annoys me the most: the unbelievable number of clicks you need to make in Windows/Microsoft to get anything done. – Saving a file to a folder of your choice:

  • Windows: Click ‘Save’ -> Click ‘Choose a different location’ -> Scroll down to skip all the favourites and default locations -> Click the drive where you want to save the file -> Find the folder -> Click ‘Save’
  • Linux: Click ‘Save’ -> Go to the folder -> press 'Save'

Not ot mention my recent attempts to rename a Bluetooth device (two devices of the same type were displayed under the same name, making it impossible to tell them apart) 🤮

[-] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago

Microsoft screwed this up when they tried to make onedrive the default and therefore purposely made saving to disk harder.

Now you need to know the F12 shortcut to bring up the expected behaviour breaking decades of muscle memory.

[-] AnalogAllamma@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Onedrive is a fuckin' pain in the ass! Sends your files to Microslop and the files on your pc become shortcuts.

I went back to Windows10. Much easier to create a local account upon install. With Win11 they make you jump through hoops.

[-] timochka@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Be fair though, "saving from a GUI app" is not exactly Linux's strong point either.

Click "save"; wonder which badly written save dialog this app is going to use; is it the one with the save button at the top? Or the bottom? Will it actually appear, or will it pop up below the window for Reasons, making you think the dammed thing has crashed? Maybe it's one with a list of favourite locations in the left maybe it's not... Maybe they're actually my favourite locations, or maybe it's an entirely different set of the developer's. If I'm lucky, there's a way to navigate to my home directory without going all the eay to the root and working up from there, more than likely not...

Best of all, it's one of those Save dialogues that thinks it's smart to enumerate the entire goddamned filesystem, network mounts and all, before it will respond to any input at all, leading to the window manager eventually fretting that maybe the application has crashed... Or perhaps it's one of those ones related to Dolphin that thinks it understands WebDAV mounts better than davfs, except that it actually doesn't and you end up saving to a temporary directory just so you can move the file where you actually wanted it from the commandline...

aaaaaargh

Don't get me wrong, I use Linux on all my machines and have been a Unix user since NetBSD 0.8 (33 years, fml...) But clicking "save" or "open" is one of those things that has me shaking my head thinking "how can it STILL be this bad" every time.

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[-] ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 20 points 1 week ago

I'm pretty sure nobody has enough money to pay me to give up my Linux...

[-] hansolo@lemmy.today 15 points 1 week ago

I ask out of respect the the devs that make our wonderful distros we love so much:

Have you donated to them and their work?

If there's not enough money to make you give it up, how much are you willing to give to keep it alive?

[-] ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I always donate. With every new release. My rule is to give an offering to the gods that make all this possible every time I do a git pull. ;-).

Especially things like mastodon and lemmy.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Matches my experiences between using Linux at home for decades, and being forced to deal with Windows at work. Luckily, I can drop all the shitty problems on IT...

[-] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 12 points 1 week ago

Thanks! Lol

[-] daychilde@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

I've been a computer geek since 1987. I started out on dos and spent a lot of my time in Windows, but I've used Linux as well for more than 25 years now.

This article was as useless and as stupid as I anticipated. They clearly are happy in Linux and they were not going to be happy in Windows.

I'm quite happy in both. I like both. I think there's advantages and disadvantages to both. I will definitely say that there are some things I really prefer in Linux. But in recent years, a lot of that I've gotten to incorporate over on the window side things.

I now have bash under Windows. I have the compose key under Windows thanks to a third party utility called wincompose. It's free.

It doesn't take me excessive clicks to do things. In Windows I mean.

And thanks to modern technology, not quite everything is upgraded under Linux with APK anymore.

I've had very few problems under Windows. And I've had very few problems under Linux. As far as system stability.

Use what you like. Use what you enjoy. Use what works better for you. For me, that's both.

[-] Saryn@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

While I agree with your overall sentiment, I also think that calling the article "useless and stupid" kind of ignores that the author explicitly states in the very first sentence that they can only present the perpesective of a long-time exclusive Linux user. Undoubtedly, had the author been a longtime user of both Linux and Windows, as is your case, then surely they would have had a different experience and conslusions all together.

I'm not saying the author isn't biased in favour of Linux - all I am saying is that they seem to be pretty upfront about it from the very get go. Had they pretended to supposedly be writing an objective, scientifically valid comparison, then I would concede there is an element of stupidity. But that's not the case - they're pretty transparent as to who they are and what perspective they are describing their experience from.

Tldr: arguably its more like some sort of guilty-pleasure entertainment for Linux users rather than "stupid"

[-] moendopi@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

I'm gonna ask a dumb question here and hope for a not dumb answer. When the author says "I know UI consistency has been a dirty word ever since the web and then iOS rose to prominence", what exactly are they referring to?

[-] XLE@piefed.social 18 points 1 week ago

Best guess : Web interfaces are known for being inconsistent because they don't follow any particular OS-specific design language. And I've seen people complaining about MacOS being really inconsistent, especially in its use of menu icons (what an essay!), and I've seen some people complain the bad UI practices come from iOS.

[-] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 13 points 1 week ago

Going further down the rabbit hole, most software now, if not bundled with the OS, is produced 3rd parties who often have their own established brand and design language.

It used to be if you were making an app for Windows, you somewhat tried to use the existing design language for your app. Nowadays if you're a big company you want your interface to be consistent no matter what is it's running on, so you set your own rules.

Linux still has this as well, but its less prominent because of the general ethos of trying to create an app to do one thing and do it well. Things are shifting as big companies jump on the Linux train though, who knows what it'll look like in 10 years.

[-] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago

Ah, yes! Light gray text on white background. Perfectly legible.

[-] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 8 points 1 week ago

God I really hope someone figures out Wayland+Wacom. I cannot wait to escape Windows

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[-] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I dread having to use my work laptop for this exact reason.

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