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cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/tech/p/1247209/all-cars-sold-in-the-eu-now-require-a-camera-aimed-at-your-face-its-still-not-clear-wher

Starting July 7, 2026, every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera aimed at your face. Glance at your phone, your kids in the back seat, or the radio for too long, and the car will flash a warning light and sound an alert.

Automakers have known this was coming for years. What they, and EU regulators, have never spelled out is what happens to that footage after the alert goes off.

While the intention behind the new system is difficult to dispute, its implementation has raised several concerns. Early real-world testing suggests the distraction warnings can be overly sensitive and potentially distracting.

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[-] ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 6 points 1 hour ago

Nope, fuck-no, not even close. Never going to fucking happen. I have dashcams inside (pointed out) but I keep the mic muted because I don't need any of my ramblings recorded publicly.... (I also have it set not to record speed.. for obvious reasons)

[-] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

My bet is all these devices in new cars will be all from one company. It will be up to automakers to put the cameras in the dash but the guts will all be the exact same. They will plug in the computer and all other sensors available. If the car doesn't have that sensor they can shut it off making these scalable to the "trim level" of the car.

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 38 points 5 hours ago

How many more years before me never owning a car and never driving is enough to put me on a list?

[-] ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 2 points 1 hour ago

I won't own anything made after 2015... That's when LTE chips started becoming standard in cars...

I told my wife, my next car will have a carbuerator.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

I'm 42, living in the united states, never had a drivers liscense.

If they tried this over here, people would die. Because they'd force me to be behind the wheel of an automobile.

And thus, people would die.

[-] greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 hours ago

The US does have this law. It's just not enacted yet because there's so much they're demanding in the law and automakers say it's not possible. But it doesn't force someone who doesn't drive to drive.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 46 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

So, a couple of things...

For a real time warning system, there's no need to actually record anything. Monitoring the video feed with no record capability should be fine.

Second, this sounds super easy to defeat with a printed photo card and a couple of Googley Eyes. 👀

[-] Babalugats@feddit.uk 26 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

"Super Easy to Defeat" is the now. They don't care about that.

They just need you to accept it, and move along.

In a few years time, it will not be "super easy to defeat" but will be standard practice and accepted law.

By that stage it will likely be too late to do anything. They will have tied it in with chat control and all of our data.

Can you imagine the freedom that will be discovered 50 years from now in a trend, when people decide to ditch their personal devices and live like they used to 70, 80 years ago (maybe even 60).

[-] CubitOom@infosec.pub 9 points 3 hours ago

Soon enough, If you defeat or try to defeat the government surveillance system, it will probably be against the law

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 27 points 5 hours ago

Clarkson was a step ahead of us this time.

[-] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Second, this sounds super easy to defeat with a printed photo card and a couple of Googley Eyes. 👀

That's fine, people are under the mistaken impression that there are bad drivers that would deliberately cheat this, and good drivers like them that pay 100% attention to the road, the reality is there is that 99% of drivers are good drivers ok of the time and distracted drivers some of the time, if the 1% genuinely terrible drivers actively bypass this, it's still a major improvement for the those of us that share the road with the other 99%.

[-] wioum@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

At least tesls are easily fooled.

[-] MantisToboggon@lemmy.world 19 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Can you put tape over the camera?

[-] Screen_Shatter@lemmy.world 17 points 5 hours ago

Or disconnect it? What happens when it no longer functions? Will I need to fix this to get my car to run again?

I bet the system would sound an alarm if you did that.

[-] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 2 points 2 hours ago

I'm willing to bet there's an ignition interlock that would keep the car from starting if the camera is disabled.

That would be possible but unlikely. If the system fails then the driver can't use their car. What if they're an emergency? That wouldn't pass.

[-] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 1 points 1 hour ago

There's already legislation in the US to implement such a kill switch based on if the camera says the driver is drowsy or drunk. Considering the uniformity with which totalitarianism seems to be spreading, I assume something similar isn't out of the question.

[-] nocturne@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 hours ago

Unplug the alarm speakers.

There's probably a fuse for the system. Unless it's integrated in the whole media system.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It's a safety system, so it's unlikely to handled by the media unit, which honestly just makes it harder.

[-] Screen_Shatter@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

This is where I'm at with shit like this. I'm just gonna keep disconnecting everything that annoys me. Including my brakes.

[-] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 hours ago

My 2021 car has this. it has no cellular data connection or significant internal storage and the camera just has what I assume is a very basic neural net that looks for signs of distraction. like the eye tracker modules some phones and laptops have. These are low-res greyscale IR cameras usually.

I'm OK with it, and it's helped me out a few times, though I know some cars are more aggressive and beep at you just for looking at your own mirrors.

Some cars however have full time cabin recording that you dont have much control over, and some do have full time data connections that could theoretically send some kind of snapshots on events, but they arent going to do full time video streaming or uploading large video files.

[-] bladerunnerspider@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago
[-] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 hours ago

yet another reason why I dont like Teslas, or honestly any vehicles with onboard video recording and cellular connections.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 23 points 3 hours ago

I dont like being constantly monitored. I dont want to normalize the lack of privacy.

[-] crandlecan@mander.xyz 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

my phones are pin or pattern only

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I do a pass code, but yeah, no finger prints or shudders facial scans

[-] Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Am i the only one using the simple slide up to unlock?

[-] civilfolly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I would suggest to start practicing to say goodbye to privacy, bank accounts, etc etc etc etc etc, when your phone is stolen.

[-] Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org 1 points 16 minutes ago* (last edited 13 minutes ago)

Bank account does have a passcode, mandatory. Steam as well. Privacy is kinda irrelevant, what's a random thief going to do with my messages or grocery list?

Good thing i have a phone that's not really marketable and thus not really tempting anyone to steal it.

But how likely is it that a phone gets stolen? Of course that might depend on a location, but locally that's an anomaly. So it's the old point whatever the security measure is worth the effort in using it vs the risk it's supposed to protect against. I'm going to be annoyed by any passcode multiple times a day vs the non-existent threat of it ever getting stolen.

[-] Prox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

What happens when you wear sunglasses?

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