I have discovered a pattern that after around 3 hours of deep mental work I am exhausted and I can't do anything any more that day.

What are your strategies to get more work done, or just to not feel miserable for the rest of the day?

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[–] 49 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Doing anything physical ( a walk, exercise, bike ride, whatever) while doing nothing mental (as in, no chores like cleaning, something physical and mostly mindless) usually helps me.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

    That's the most normal thing in the world.

    We aren't machines - most people can only focus deeply for at most a couple of hours at a time, and it takes a lot of energy to focuslike that. Just like you can't run a whole marathon at sprinting-after-the-bus speeds, you won't be able to work a whole day at the level of your peak performing hour. Best thing to do is plan your work accordingly.

    The number one thing for me is taking breaks BEFORE I think I need it. Way more frequent breaks than you think.

    Short breaks so you don't lose your flow, but still take time to get some blood flow through your body up to your brain: Set an alarm every half hour or so for a mini break 30-60 sec (closing your eyes, stretching, breathing, standing and staring out a window). Every hour move away from the desk 2-5 min (refill your water and grab a fruit, or empty the dishwasher or quick walk up and down the stairs or around the building for some fresh air). Halfway between morning and lunch, and halfway between lunch and night take a longer break 15 or so minutes (with a cup of tea or coffee and reading or chatting with colleagues or a friend).

    Absolutely no (constructive) work talk during breaks with colleagues. Better to sit in silence than ruin your break time.

    Brisk walk (get the heart rate up) or quick nap during lunch.

    Save some menial tasks for when you run out of steam, usually after lunch and often towards end of day. Replying to a few emails or checking off some small tasks - something simple just to get the ball rolling after lunch or to wind down the work day.

    Make sure you eat and drink properly.

    Avoid negative self-talk, because you're doing really well with your human brain and biological need for rest and recuperating.

    And ask for help even when you don't need it, because sometimes just explaining your work means you find a solution that would have taken a lot longer to find in silence, and sometimes it just makes someone else feel good to be of assistance.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks for the comprehensive answer. I will need to process that I can't do all the things I wish I would be doing; and learn how to take a break. Some time ago I installed the pomodoro timer but it has been sitting misused on my desktop tray. I think it should finally get some use.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I'm gonna give you the answer no motivated person wants to hear. You should listen to your body and take a rest. You'll be able to get more done with time, but exhausting yourself to get there won't help in the long run (ask me how I know 🫠)

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    What I do is work less than 3 hours per day. If on a job, the rest of the time I just act as if I'm working.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Arguably, if you are burnt out after 3 hours but force yourself to keep trying, you are still only pretending to be working, and possibly making more work for yourself later by making mistakes.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    I’m honestly only good for a few hours a day. I do my thinking, usually come up with something good, then basically fuck off because unless I’m feeling very inspired that’s as much as I’m going to produce.

    Now when I’m inspired by something I’ll go like 18 hours straight, but it’s been a long long time since work inspired me like that.

    So in that down time I walk to the coffee shop, take a nap, browse the internet, whatever.

    Like, yesterday morning I made some code that needs to run daily 150,000x cheaper. Literally saved us a few grand a month. I expected like a 10x improvement. But I could only do that after not thinking about it for the weekend.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago*

    Take a walk. Even if it's just on a treadmill. Even if it's just up and down the stairs a few times. There are empirical studies on this; the physical act of walking energizes your brain. Doesn't have to be outside, doesn't have to be going anywhere. Just walk. Five to ten minutes, put a podcast on or something. Do that every hour or two.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago
    1. Modulate expectations. Nothing will let you be 100% productive, 100% of the day. You don't want that anyway. The moment you get 100% productivity, they will demand 105%, which you are not capable of. Even if you can hit 100% for a moment, you can't maintain it. It'd be like redlining an engine. Find your sustainable level of work and maintain it. You won't get paid anything if you kill yourself trying to do more.
    2. Take breaks before you hit the wall. Work an hour, go for a walk. Work an hour, close your eyes and do deep breathing for a bit. Work for an hour, sing along to a few songs. Don't think actively during the breaks. Your unconscious needs processing time. This keeps you from hitting the wall so hard, and might let you get an extra cycle or two.
    3. Make the things you do on those breaks activities that do not require strong attention but do get air moving through your lungs. Part of fatigue is build up of waste products in the brain. Get air and blood in there and it'll help.
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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Prolonged mental exhaustion causes a buildup of glutamate in areas like the lateral prefrontal cortex. Sustained overstimulation can lead to excitotoxicity, where excess glutamate damages neurons.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago*

    stop trying to do everything at once.

    spread shit out more.

    if you run a marathon you're not doing anything strenuous for like a week... you are demanding way too much of yourself too fast and too frequently. Stop it.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Im like this. Getting worse as I get older. I used to do a shitton and it was more like 5 or 6 hours but that has come down. No advice except to feel miserable.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    That sounds about right to me! Trying to go full steam ahead for 8 hours a day isn't sustainable or even desirable.

    I found Cal Newport's book Slow Productivity really helped me get some perspective on work. It has three main lessons: Do Fewer Things, Work at a Natural Pace and Obsess over Quality.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Lots of people self-report improved mental clarity, focus, and cognition on "clean" diets. Food can have a big impact on brain health and mood.

    If your diet isn't great, now might be a good time to clean it up: cut out processed foods, sugars. Go whole food only if you can

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Don't work three hours straight.

    Try doing two hours and then give yourself a break.

    It's much easier to carry five 20 pound loads than to try and carry one 100 pound load.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Have you tried taking breaks in these 3 hours?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Bro I have to record 9 hours of work a day and its fucking hard. Worst part of my job.

    But I wfh and the job is easy so I don't complain but man I hate recording my time. Always I have a stopwatch running all day every day.

    I could be in the mines, so I don't complain.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Did you get enough sleep the nights before? Have you eaten well and had enough to drink? Do you do modest exercise?

    Don't think anyone can do a full 8 hour workday of only deep mental work, about 4 hours is more reasonable. Fill the day with some less challenging work.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago*

    Meditation could probably help. This and doing sports regularly.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Escape the hell that is forcing you to labor.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago
    • Exercise - raise your blood circulation.
    • Power nap - if mastered it's one of the biggest creativity and mental energy hacks that ever existed.
    • Carbs - it's no longer cool but your brain needs energy.
    • hot / cold shower.
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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Are you in the same physical position when you're doing deep mental work? Do you keep this position when doing other things?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    If you're able to afford it and it doesn't jeopardize your employment. Taking a huge amount of time off can reset the mental burnout.

    If you wait too long to take a decent vacation the burnout can take years to recover from once you finally break.

    Alternatively an therapist might be able to work out a solution tailored for your situation.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Sleeping and eating well? What do you do for exercise? CoQ10 and done me wonders in a similar situation, but additionally gave a massive boost for physical fatigue too

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    Get yourself so focused on work that you get 12h of shit done in one setting. Then do nothing for the rest of the day

    At least that's what I do. Then the next day I will only work a few hours and pretend to work a few more

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    You should see a dietitian, perhaps you're not eating well enough.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Crack cocaine

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    [–] -1 points 2 months ago

    One or two capsules of kratom.

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