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In the past months, there's a been a issue in various instances where accounts would start uploading blatant CSAM to popular communities. First of all this traumatizes anyone who gets to see it before the admins get to it, including the admins who have to review to take it down. Second of all, even if the content is a link to an external site, lemmy sill caches the thumbnail and stores it in the local pict-rs, causing headaches for the admins who have to somehow clear that out. Finally, both image posts and problematic thumbnails are federated to other lemmy instances, and then likewise stored in their pict-rs, causing such content to be stored in their image storage.

This has caused multiple instances to take radical measures, from defederating liberaly, to stopping image uploads to even shutting down.

Today I'm happy to announce that I've spend multiple days developing a tool you can plug into your instance to stop this at the source: pictrs-safety

Using a new feature from pictr-rs 0.4.3 we can now cause pictrs to call an arbitary endpoint to validate the content of an image before uploading it. pictrs-safety builds that endpoint which uses an asynchronous approach to validate such images.

I had already developed fedi-safety which could be used to regularly go through your image storage and delete all potential CSAM. I have now extended fedi-safety to plug into pict-rs safety and scan images sent by pict-rs.

The end effect is that any images uploaded or federated into your instance will be scanned in advance and if fedi-safety thinks they're potential CSAM, they will not be uploaded to your image storage at all!

This covers three important vectors for abuse:

  • Malicious users cannot upload CSAM to for trolling communities. Even novel GenerativeAI CSAM.
  • Users cannot upload CSAM images and never submit a post or comment (making them invisible to admins). The images will be automatically rejected during upload
  • Deferated images and thumbnails of CSAM will be rejected by your pict-rs.

Now, that said, this tool is AI-driven and thus, not perfect. There will be false positives, especially around lewd images and images which contain children or child-topics (even if not lewd). This is the bargain we have to take to prevent the bigger problem above.

By my napkin calculations, false positive rates are below 1%, but certainly someone's innocent meme will eventually be affected. If this happen, I request to just move on as currently we don't have a way to whitelist specific images. Don't try to resize or modify the images to pass the filter. It won't help you.

For lemmy admins:

  • pictrs-safety contains a docker-compose sample you can add to your lemmy's docker-compose. You will need to your put the .env in the same folder, or adjust the provided variables. (All kudos to @[email protected] for the docker support).
  • You need to adjust your pict-rs ENVIRONMENT as well. Check the readme.
  • fedi-safety must run on a system with GPU. The reason for this is that lemmy provides just a 10-seconds grace period for each upload before it times out the upload regardless of the results. A CPU scan will not be fast enough. However my architecture allows the fedi-safety to run on a different place than pictrs-safety. I am currently running it from my desktop. In fact, if you have a lot of images to scan, you can connect multiple scanning workers to pictrs-safety!
  • For those who don't have access to a GPU, I am working on a NSFW-scanner which will use the AI-Horde directly instead and won't require using fedi-safety at all. Stay tuned.

For other fediverse software admins

fedi-safety can already be used to scan your image storage for CSAM, so you can also protect yourself and your users, even on mastodon or firefish or whatever.

I will try to provide real-time scanning in the future for each software as well and PRs are welcome.

Divisions by zero

This tool is already active now on divisions by zero. It's usage should be transparent to you, but do let me know if you notice anything wrong.

Support

If you appreciate the priority work that I've put in this tool, please consider supporting this and future development work on liberapay:

https://liberapay.com/db0/

All my work is and will always be FOSS and available for all who need it most.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Db0 the fuckin hero 🙏

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Couldn't this be more efficiently solved by having only approved users post images? Like people with some posts/comments and positive karma (or whatever it's called on lemmy).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Cool. After some testing Hexbear should run it. Not that the problem has ever been serious for Hex but still worthwhile and work that should absolutely be supported.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Has this been a problem since the initial spam wave? I wasn't aware the issue was ongoing. But the less pedos, the better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

External images aren't federated to Hexbear, so your instance is mostly unaffected by the disgusting trolls doing this stuff.

From what I've been hearing, it's sadly been still ongoing :(

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

hexbear dub. big salute to the admins and mods rat-salute

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not for all csam and not at all for novel generative ai csam. It's also not for all countries nor is it easy for everyone to join it and not everyone wants to be on cloudflare. Same is true for other tools like photodna

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm curious how an AI like this is trained

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's my understanding that the csam datasets (once already labeled by people) are hashed to the point of being unrecognizable before being passed around.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't think training a model on hashes would be particularly useful - if the model were able to get any meaningful information out of it, that would mean the hash function itself is somehow leaking enough of the original contents to determine the image contents (which would essentially mean the hash function is broken beyond all repair)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

you know what that makes sense so I looked into it, one method of detecting csam is hashing the image and comparing it to a database of hashes of known csam images. so I guess that method might not work for "original" csam images.

article about it

apple csam detection [download]

google talking about it

interestingly, Google says they use AI also but didn't really get into the details.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How does one even test this ethically?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think "legally" and "without constantly wanting to vomit" is the trickier question. From a purely ethical standpoint I don't see a problem with taking CSAM that's apparently already flooding Lemmy and using it to test whether your filter works before nuking it. At least as long as you're making sure you're not exposing anyone else to it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There are I think official "training kits"? I remember reading about this, there are sets of data you can get to train CSAM detection with.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

AI based with high false positive rate. Fantastic. These tools are great but impacting regular use of the platform is going to drive people away. Lemmy is at a critical state of needing to onboard users to plateau or grow, I feel this will not be good despite the good intentions.

It's not like you can just re-post what gets taken down. The magic box's response is final

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Literally unhinged take lmfao

Reasses your fucking priorities dude. Fucking child abuse or users on the website. Imo you deserve a global ban if you’re a serious on this take and not just being a 4head

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Someone disagrees with me on the internet! Global ban!