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[–] 131 points 4 months ago (17 children)

The American mind is just incapable of comprehending trains

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  • [–] 58 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    We can comprehend just fine. There's a project, California High Speed Rail, under construction to connect these two cities. The trouble is that our political and economic systems have become so sclerotic that China has built an entire HSR network since work on this line began, and it won't even be done before 2031.

    We can still build highways, because the political and regulatory mechanisms to create them were fine-tuned as the system crystalized into inflexibility.

    Frankly, this exact inability of U.S. society to change and adapt to new conditions was the signal indicator of the incipient collapse, for me.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    If you wanted to build a track for these "high speed buses" it would require special safety features, signalling, barriers etc. that make it look much more like a train track than like a motorway. So you'd gain exactly nothing over building a train track.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Not true. Not even close. According to the article, the bus lanes would be built on existing infrastructure. The bridges exist, the right-of-way exists, there would be comparatively little political resistance, the cost would be MUCH lower. Also, maintenance costs would be much lower.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Well, yes, exactly. A nation cannot remain an economic superpower by frittering away its wealth on expensive, but suboptimal shit like a "highway" for high-speed buses. If it's no longer able able to build effective, cheap infrastructure because it doesn't benefit an entrenched industry, then collapse isn't far off.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago*

    There’s a project, California High Speed Rail, under construction to connect these two cities.

    Proposition 1A passed in 2008, followed by the awarding of federal stimulus funds in 2010.

    The California HSR was a plot point in the second season of True Detective, which began production in January of 2014.

    18 years later, the Phase One between San Francisco and Anaheim is still under construction.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I thought they ate the onion but somehow this appears to be an actual serious study. I can't imagine how uncomfortable a bus going 140mph would be. At that point the engineering required to keep the road in appropriate shape is likely more expensive than just using rails...

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    [–] 30 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

    Trying to turn I5 into the autobahn with a 140 mph bus lane would result in so much chaos and destruction that honestly I'm all for it.

    There is 0 chance that the average American drivers liscense having brain could comprehend this concept.

    Most people can't even keep an actually reasonable following distance, or understand the concept of a passing lane.

    This is a literally comically stupid idea, its a B movie plot element from an 80s scifi movie.

    Fuck it -> Do it for the lols.

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    [–] 24 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    The reason for busses is simple and seems to be ignored by literally everyone.

    The private property between SF and LA keeps increasing in price so the costs for the project are in the billions before anything is even built. The signing of the land is in the billions. Now build a rail in Trump's economy and it becomes nearly impossible to succeed at anything rail.

    Busses builds an audience that can be used to later justify rail to get buses off the road. Americans hate big trucks on the road but there they are anyway. It's a slow burn turn to morph the car brain into train brain.

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    [–] 23 points 4 months ago

    Build a train you fucken cowards

    🚂🚃🚃🚃

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Wow, 140MPH! That's ... still 84MPH slower than the fastest trains in Europe, and 127MPH slower than the fastest train in Asia (Shanghai maglev).

    These stupid fantasies are still a pale shadow of what the rest of the world has already managed to achieve. Just finish building the fucking train already!

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    [–] 21 points 4 months ago

    recycling the classics

    Obama Replaces Costly High-Speed Rail Plan With High-Speed Bus Plan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNixDlRoMvA

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    Everything but rail, huh?

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    I bet they will do a "special track" for them

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    You can always trust in the US-americans to do the right thing, after having exhausted every other possible option.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    There is no amount of traffic that would make me consider getting in a robot-controlled 140 mph bus lmao.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    There are already rails between LA and SF. Why not use them?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Y'all, they're building a high speed train, but it's mired in problems, and if the economy crashes, it will be decades before it's completed. This would be a medium-term solution that's easy to build, and easy to take down when it's no longer needed.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    They should explore eminent domain and build real transit.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    But what if there aren't enough minority neighbourhoods to bulldoze?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    The farmland between LA and SF isn't minority neighborhoods. But my comment was more an off the cuff dismissal of this ass-backward bus idea than an actual policy opinion. Here's a real policy opinion: Stop making excuses and run the fuckin trains.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I've got one! A people movie treadmill! 300mph. You catch a local taxi, it accelerated to 80mph. Then you jump on to a plane which then takes you from 80 to 300. Then you jump on the treadmill. Don't know yet how to get you off. Bit its not disgusting.

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    [–] 6 points 4 months ago*

    You’re fucking kidding me. Schrodinger’s Onion

    https://youtu.be/QNixDlRoMvA

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    So trams are not on their mind ?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Why is American society so braindead?

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    [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    This bus proposal is basically a 'back to the drawing board' plan. How can you get people to travel between SF and LA faster than driving, and maybe cheaper than flying, especially if jet-fuel prices stay high.

    It's going to follow the existing roadways. What the original high-speed rail project could have done, instead of jogging far inland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Route_of_California_High-Speed_Rail

    Given diesel fuel costs, they'll probably end up with EV, perhaps with overhead cabling. And to avoid expensive 'self-driving' buses, maybe they'll put down 'guide lines.' To be able to go faster than cars, they'll have their own lane, or use center divider areas. And to avoid pollution and wear and tear, instead of rubber tires, they'll go with metal wheels. But to prevent damage to the roads, maybe they'll have to swap the guide lines with hard metal, protective lines...

    Meanwhile, elsewhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_China

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