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[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 190 points 2 weeks ago

"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

― Marcus Aurelius

[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 weeks ago

Wow that's way older than I realized!

[-] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 54 points 2 weeks ago

I know right? Can’t believe it’s been 26 years since the Gladiator movie came out!!

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago

26 years since the Gladiator movie came out

[-] Davel23@fedia.io 92 points 2 weeks ago

The way I figure it, if God exists he gave me a reasoning mind and provided absolutely no reasonable evidence of his existence. If he has a problem with me drawing the inevitable conclusion from that then fuck 'im.

[-] BillyClark@piefed.social 27 points 2 weeks ago

If you look at it from God's perspective, assuming he exists, you have all of these groups of people who claim to worship him, and the biggest ones all have different holy books, and all of those holy books are flawed. They're even self-contradictory. I think God would be offended if people thought he was responsible for those piles of trash.

On the other hand, if God created our cosmos, surely he'd at least approve of people trying to understand it compared to boring people who ignore the world and just chant the same things over and over.

[-] Domino@quokk.au 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If god is real im going to try and kill him for creating a world with such evil happening to innocent people.

Any god who creates a place where babies are raped and murdered deserves to die.

[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago

This is why I refer to myself as agnostic instead of atheist. I do not see an evidence of God as stated in the Bible, Torah, Koran or such religions. However I cannot prove that a different type of God does not exist. Something - called God - could be responsible for the beginning of everything. I don't see that God as being too concerned about humans and what they do or don't do. God and religion are not the same thing. Religions are entirely man made as a societal control mechanisms and abused by leadership greed.

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[-] Hackworth@piefed.ca 55 points 2 weeks ago

If god is real, he has a lot to answer for.

[-] blackstampede@sh.itjust.works 58 points 2 weeks ago

Also:

"If there is a God, he will have to beg my forgiveness."

  • Unknown victim of the Holocaust, carved into the wall of a Mauthausen cell[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauthausen_concentration_camp

[-] ThanksObama@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago

The platypus. Seriously, wtf?

[-] albbi@piefed.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago

Australia was his animal testing ground. It was never meant to make it into production.

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[-] BillyClark@piefed.social 7 points 2 weeks ago

If god is real, he very likely doesn't give a shit about humans. If you interviewed him, he'd say that all of that stuff you attribute to him was obviously made up by humans.

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[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yeah, well...

MY religion says if you don't give me $20,000 you'll spend forever swimming through a pool of glass shards and lemon juice. Better be on the safe side - what if I'm right?

[-] albbi@piefed.ca 14 points 2 weeks ago

I'd like to subscribe to your Creative Eternal Tortures newsletter.

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[-] smeenz@lemmy.nz 8 points 2 weeks ago

Here's $30,000 just in case. Thanks for the warning!

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[-] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If god turns out to be real then heaven is likely hell.

Based on what god has shown us so far he is a dictator who enjoys watching his little creatures suffer in too many ways to count. He is most likely an emotionless psychopath. He used his Jesus avatar once publicly to show that he's "one of us", showed off his admin rights by turning water to wine and resurrecting himself, and then logged off again with no consequences.

It's the equivalent of a billionaire going with public transport for a day to show how grounded and normal he is.

If god exists and can truly control what comes after death then we are all fucked and need to find out how to kill him.

Maybe after death we resurrect into a full blown souls against god rebellion that has been going on for a few hundred years

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[-] Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 weeks ago

Pascal wager can be so easily thrown back…

« You better pray for forgiveness to the Christian god before dying… just to be sure! »

Ok.. but what if the Hindus were right all along and I just damned myself?! There’s a whole lot more Hindus.. I’m getting better odds by renouncing the Christian god instead

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

"You lose" is such a weird thing to say. It's implying this is an issue to win or lose on. Instead of you know living a virtuous life. Nope. It's sides that win or lose.

[-] Upperhand@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Right? My religion tortures you for not being on our side I rather choose nothing than worship that kind of evil.

[-] smeenz@lemmy.nz 8 points 2 weeks ago

These pricks get off on seeing others suffer, while proclaiming to covet the virtues of a book they've never read.

[-] lauha@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

I think the matter is simple.

If there is a God, he should let me in for being a good person. If he is as vain as Christians make him out to be, I wouldn't worship him anyway.

[-] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

If basically any major religion's god is real, we all lose. They're all fucking giant assholes.

I'm not worshiping an asshole... unless its attached to someone hot.

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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 weeks ago

Dear reader,

What if, after you die, you discover that string theory is correct, the the universe and reality itself are all merely tendrils of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and that it thought you were kind of neat, so it decides to turn you into gelato... but only for a moment, as a joke, and then just does a ground hog day on you, as another joke?

You lose.

[-] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

God: >hides<

Also God: how dare you not believe in me with zero proof in the natural world! >tantrum<

[-] ignotum@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Everything is proof of god!

If you understand nothing and refuse to explore and learn, that is

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[-] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 14 points 2 weeks ago

If god were to be real I’d like to think that finite and cringe concepts like “do you love me because I killed myself for you? (Tick the according box)” would be so laughably far removed from the conversation that’s it’s not even up for consideration.

The supposed almighty creator, who resides over everything in existence itself,…. Spends it’s time worrying wether or not you touched yourself and why you didn’t believe in the santa guy from a book mostly used by evil conmen. Don’t make me laugh.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It never seems to occur to them that if there was an entity so powerful that it could literally create an entire Universe out of nothing, and then monitor the progress of ever single element of that Universe, then that entity would be far too complex for our puny human minds to even comprehend.

And yet there are those among us who would dare to claim to know exactly what that all-powerful entity is thinking, and what it wants from us, and oh, yeah, it always costs a lot of money, gimme.

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[-] P1k1e@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Interestingly, the Christian God doesn't care about your life, only about your soul. And whilst they say belief is the only way to him there's an interesting thing most of these guys intentionally overlook.

If God is infact made of love, as so many claim, only those who are full of love truly believe. Now I ain't saying atheists have more love in them than Christians, but I can say with A LOT of certainty that Christians aint got a lot of love atall

[-] jasoman@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

The phrase "there is no hate like Christian love" isn't going away till the Christians do.

[-] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Pascal's Wager. Just as ludicrous as it was last time someone posted it.

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[-] Ftumch@lemmy.today 12 points 2 weeks ago

What if after you die you find out the demiurge is real and you failed to achieve gnosis, so you have to go back to the prison that is this reality?

You lose.

[-] eronth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

If the god sends me to hell for not believing in him after his followers were so cruel, then he is a tyrant and I want nothing to do with him. If he recognizes my goodness and doesn't care whether I had faith in him or not... then it sure sounds like I don't lose.

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[-] HyperfocusSurfer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

The main problem with this argumrnt is the hidden assumption that it's their god that's real. Other folklorists came up with so many of those that believing in one doesn't significantly increase your chances after all 🤷

[-] inkblade@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Even if a creator exists, I reckon that it has long forgotten that it made this shitty planet.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 10 points 2 weeks ago

"Hey G-man, those creatures you made are getting out of control."

"Huh? What crea- Oh. Oh fuck. That was supposed to be thrown out 3 millenia ago. I fucking forgot. It's probably all rotten and moldy now."

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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

If there is a god, what's the chance that you have the "correct" one of all the religions ever invented? If you go to hell for following the "wrong" religion your chance of going to hell is much higher than of hitting the jackpot.

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[-] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

One of the ten commandments is Thou shalt not hold false witness. In other words, do not claim something to be true that you do not actually know to be true.

Everyone who claims God's existence based on their own faith has thus violated one of the ten commandments.

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[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Dear Christian,

What if, after you die, you find out you're dead, and you've wasted your precious time all along?

You lose.

p.s. your God is obsessed with foreskins, you lose either way.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's win-win:

  • God is real, and loves athiests anyway.

  • God is real, and can't blame you. They made it real hard to prove.

  • God isn't real, which you don't find out, cuz you're dead.

  • ...Or dead-ish?

  • God's realness is predicated on belief:

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED." "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that..."

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Or: God is real, he's as vindictive, petty, and cruel as the Bible portrays him to be and anyone like that you definitely don't want whatever their idea of heaven would be.

[-] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I feel like the whole concept of souls is just racism. Because for souls to have a concept of existence and value, some sort of identity between life and death must be, implying, basically, eugenics.

"This soul is better than this other soul" etc. An inherent superiority and inferiority, separate from our minds, insulated, even from logic.

[-] InputZero@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Your idea about the concept of souls being rooted in racism is interesting. Although you lost me when you jumped from life and death as an identity to eugenics.

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[-] red_tomato@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What if God is real, but you believed in the wrong one and God despises incorrect belief more than non-belief?

You lose.

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[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If after I die god turns out to be real, I'd probably still go to heaven because I felt bad about my sins and that's pretty much all that's needed to get into heaven according to the New Testament. 🤷‍♂️

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