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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 247 points 2 weeks ago

The wonders of taxing the rich.

[-] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 34 points 2 weeks ago

TBF, from the analysis someone else posted, taxing the rich only brought in, like, 550 mil. Which isn't nothing, but it's not like "tax the rich" saved the city - they did a lot of other stuff.

[-] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago

Although true, I think that undersells the effect of even this minor tax on the rich. Every dollar out of a rich person pocket is a dollar out of asset investments portfolios and another dollar in the local economy. Until housing isn't a viable investment vehicle, as an example, that's another dollar not going to increasing the cost of housing. Housing getting cheaper means cost of living goes down not just for the worker but for the stores that sell you your food and your stuff, which has a knock on effect of making cost of living even cheaper.

Taxing the rich, even a small additional percentage, isn't just about raising more money it's about redistributing it from the people who use it in the worst ways possible (corrupting systems, amassing power, buying the world) to the people who use it in the best way possible (paying for food, housing, education, healthcare, hobbies, art, and their communities).

We should tax multi-millionaires out of existence, but any additional tax against the systemic problem of wealth inequality is a win in my book.

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[-] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 140 points 2 weeks ago

In a couple months? Would be curious to see how, anyone have a ELI5 sheet of the changes made?

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 193 points 2 weeks ago

They taxed rich people and kept congestion pricing pretty much.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 19 points 2 weeks ago

A big slug of money from the state was the real budget closer.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 weeks ago

Right. In exchange for taxing second homes in NYC

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 10 points 2 weeks ago

"The poor get all the breaks! It isn't fair!"

Right, taxing second homes worth $5 million or more. Are we supposed to feel sorry about rich people who can afford a SECOND home that's over $5 million, when they are asked to pay a tiny bit extra?

Those wealthy parasites would let everybody in NYC literally starve to death before they would pay an extra nickel. Fuck anyone who believes that, we should confiscate EVERYTHING from them, and throw them in prison.

[-] krellor@fedia.io 104 points 2 weeks ago

Gift article from the NY times explaining.

But influx from the state, taxes on second homes, deferred payments to pension programs, and a host of compromises. He in no way raised $12Bn in new revenue through taxes to cover the deficit.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 43 points 2 weeks ago

They also got rid of state financial obligations that Cuomo had stuck on the city, and cleaned up corruption from past administrations. Those were significant savings, too.

The point is that governments can be substantially improved with even a little actual reform and not duplicitous reform like DOGE. We can have change, it just takes voting in responsible, ethical government managers, not carnival barkers.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 weeks ago

DOGE wasn't "reform," it was sabotage

[-] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

That's what they are saying. It was duplicitous. It presented itself as reform but was not.

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[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Which would be why they called it duplicitous

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Deferred payments usually costs more in the end.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 weeks ago

deferred payments to pension programs

Oof, not too sure about this one...

[-] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Most of the $12 billion was a bailout from the state according to the video.

[-] sunstoned@lemmus.org 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The article linked above seems to roughly agree:

  • $6.5B state aid + school funding / life insurance payout shifts to state responsibility
  • $2.8B from the city via delayed pensions + taxes on second homes valued >$5M

Earlier this year, Ms. Hochul committed $1.5 billion in state aid for a host of municipal services. The state budget, which has not yet been finalized, is also expected to include a host of policy changes and revenue increases that will funnel another $4 billion to the city over the next two years.

The largest share — about $2.3 billion over two years — is expected to come from the city’s delaying certain pension payments, a change that requires state approval and buy-in from municipal unions.

The mayor and governor also expect another half-billion dollars to flow from the new tax surcharge on second homes worth more than $5 million that Ms. Hochul recently announced. But the city comptroller recently argued that number might be overly optimistic, and New York City’s byzantine property valuation system means that the new tax would come with substantial implementation challenges.

The city is expected to save another $1 billion over two years from several changes, including the state’s expected agreement to delay a class-size mandate in public schools (despite Mr. Mamdani’s support for the mandate as a candidate); more school aid from the state; and the assumption by the state of a larger share of death benefits for families of police officers, firefighters and emergency medical workers.

[-] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I bet most of the pension changes are probably for NYPD members.

The NYPD pension provides retirement benefits based on years of service, salary history, and plan type, with average full-career retiree pensions exceeding $100,000 annually

Holy fuck

They get a over $100k USD pension, wtf.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 2 weeks ago

Well, they need that to stop them being corrupt.

I mean, it hasn't worked so far, but it might.

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[-] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 100 points 2 weeks ago

Who would have thought taxing the rich improves everyone's lives?

Nah, they just got lucky. We absolutely cannot keep trying this, because it's doomed to fail. Capitalism is the only system that works.

[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

If we tax the rich they will all move away to other countries then we will be left here with just the people who do all the work. We will never survive

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

No need to seize the means of production if they simply abandon it...

[-] Snowwdropp@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 weeks ago

I say let's try it elsewhere, just to prove those despicable commies it was absolutely a fluke.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

This is capitalism though, like, fully and throughout.

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 91 points 2 weeks ago

And Dems fought him at every turn.

[-] SirKarlSin@lemmy.world 47 points 2 weeks ago

and repubs. only the proplr sided with him and that was enough

[-] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

prowlr to the proplr!

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

It's amazing what can happen when the establishment fails to block candidates who actually want to fix things.

[-] brownsugga@lemmy.world 64 points 2 weeks ago
[-] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 weeks ago

gasp

Where's your tolerance?! I thought progressives were nice!

[-] bss03@infosec.pub 12 points 2 weeks ago

Tolerance doesn't mean someone can't be mean to you. It means they give you the same rights they expect you to give them.

This includes the right to say "get fucked" to others and to disassociate from people that are likely to say "get fucked" to you.

[-] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Listen sweaty, Martin Luther King didn't create the underground railroad by telling people to get fucked, okay? He was all about nonviolence AKA, ya know being nice to people?? Preeeettttyyy suuuure I know what I'm talking about here.

spoilerPlease, dear readers, don't make me submit to the /s degradation, I'll do it like this instead lol

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[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 weeks ago

The largest share — about $2.3 billion over two years — is expected to come from the city’s delaying certain pension payments, a change that requires state approval and buy-in from municipal unions.

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To balance this year’s budget, Mr. Mamdani is proposing to delay payments into New York City’s pension funds.

The city has five pension funds representing teachers, police officers, firefighters and other unionized municipal workers. The returns, which are invested, total about $300 billion.

The mayor’s plan, which would save $2.3 billion through the end of the upcoming fiscal year, would involve restructuring the city’s contributions to the funds following an overhaul instituted in 2013 by Bill de Blasio, then the mayor of New York City, and Andrew M. Cuomo, then the governor. At that time, the mayor changed the city’s pension payment obligations following a drop in the assumed rate of return, to 7 percent from 8 percent.

(and fucking, of course: "Police officers’ pensions would be unaffected by the proposed change, as their union, the Police Benevolent Association, is opposed to the plan.")

https://archive.ph/XARnw (NY Times)

So, it sounds like the biggest contribution to the balanced budget is to push problems down the road and delay funding pensions. To a certain extent I get it. He was left with a time bomb that was about to go off, and if he can balance the budget (even if it's by delaying pension payments) he can defuse that time bomb and get some breathing room. I would hope that the unions accept the pension delay because I think having him as mayor is going to pay off for them in the long term.

It's clear that this budget isn't really balanced, at least not long term. It sounds like he's still going to have to make some hard decisions, either cutting benefits or raising revenues. It sounds like one item that needs addressing is the cost per student in NYC which is twice as high as other places. That's going to involve making some hard decisions and taking on some powerful special interests.

And of course, if he can actually fix NYC's biggest problem (the NYPD) he'll go a long way to solving the other probems.

[-] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 weeks ago

That's the biggest individual contribution, but it was only about 20% of the deficit. The other 80% was actually solved, as far as I can tell.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago

A huge chunk of it was state spending, or the state agreeing not to force the city to meet state mandates:

Earlier this year, Ms. Hochul committed $1.5 billion in state aid for a host of municipal services. The state budget, which has not yet been finalized, is also expected to include a host of policy changes and revenue increases that will funnel another $4 billion to the city over the next two years.

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The city is expected to save another $1 billion over two years from several changes, including the state’s expected agreement to delay a class-size mandate in public schools (despite Mr. Mamdani’s support for the mandate as a candidate); more school aid from the state; and the assumption by the state of a larger share of death benefits for families of police officers, firefighters and emergency medical workers.

That's happening because "Ms. Hochul, ... is facing re-election this year, [and] needs Mr. Mamdani’s help in turning out Democratic voters in New York City." After she's securely in office for another 4 year term, who knows how willing she'll be to do those same deals.

If Mandami remains popular, maybe he can keep the governor on his side. It would be ideal if they solved some of these problems as a team instead of working against each-other. I'm hopeful. Right now people seem to be in a very anti-status-quo mood. Mandami is showing how Democratic Socialism is a different way of doing things from the status quo. If he appears to be succeeding, more people will want to work with him. If more people can work with him, he can maybe take on some of the really big challenges that require a lot of people working together. At that point, it's not just a budget that appears to be balanced if you shift the pension burdens into the future. It may actually be a budget that will really work in the long term.

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[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago

Why did you highlight the word "for"?

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[-] gary215 17 points 2 weeks ago

Well it's still a balanced budget.

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[-] Emma 12 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

This type of governing has been possible the whole time which is the worst part. Keep up the good work Mamdani and his team.

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