Microblog post: "Family won't move our group chat to signal. Had to leave. Here comes the guilt trip πŸ˜’". Screenshot of a iMessage conversation with a contact named Mom: "Please come back to the group chat. We are making thanksgiving plans and we need your input." - "As I said in the group chat, you shouldn't be using iMessage. Signal is better Opsec. Once everyone starts taking that seriously you know where to find me." - "Gam Gam is 92. She barely knows how to use the phone she has." - "She needs to adapt"

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[–] 286 points 5 months ago (27 children)

The guy kinda sounds like a douche..

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  • [–] 66 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    Right. Look, I want people moving to more independent services too, but I know that sometimes you have to meet people where they are. I keep Meta accounts because sometimes I need to see family pictures or engage with some random FB group.

    You can work on getting people to try things and adapt without just going "Fuck you, you do it my way or not at all."

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, if they were somehow forcing them all to move the group chat, sure. That might be a valid argument then.

    But as it is, it seems they simply left the group chat, and said "if you want me in it, move it to signal."

    That's not forcing anyone to do anything. That's setting a boundary. The people trying to pressure OOP into using software they don't trust are the only ones trying to force anything.

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    ...

    I mean, it has to be satire, they even said "iMessage" instead of text, meaning the guy super obsessed with privacy still uses an iPhone...

    And still clearly uses it. Because that's what the screenshot is from.

    Are people taking that as an authentic conversation?

    I overestimate people a lot, but I'm genuinely confused if I'm overestimating they hypothetical screenshot and people are dumb enough to be like that, or if I'm overestimating people who see it and can't tell it's an obvious joke...

    It's the eternal quesion

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Are people taking that as an authentic conversation?

    no, but opsec people will genuinely act like this sometimes

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    [–] 144 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    Whenever people start talking about "opsec" and it's not people doing sensitive work I'm just like "what ops?"

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    [–] 80 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    This is an obvious joke yall

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    [–] 74 points 5 months ago* (7 children)

    Granny did the risk assessment and decided that ease of use and low-maintenance is more important than security when it comes to everyday family matters.

    Not everyone ends in jail when they fuck up their opsec. Granny doesn't run an online cocaine business.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Ease of use and low maintenance just means inertia. I remember back when people wrote Tech articles saying that Windows XP was intuitive as an argument against Linux but it turns out that intuitive only ever meant it works exactly like Windows xp. Then people got smartphones and using a second type of computer interface turned out to be no big deal. And now Linux market share is growing rapidly, something we were told was never going to happen because of all sorts of reasons that apparently don't apply.

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    [–] 66 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Imagine planning Thanksgiving without proper opsec πŸ™„πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

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    [–] 65 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    The family wouldn’t be installing Signal, a secure messaging app. They would be installing β€œthat app I only use to talk to that one idiot”.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    No it is that app where I get my pictures of the grand kids.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Best way to move my family. Want pictures? Move.

    Tough instead of being a dick about it i offered to set it up, show em how it's used and explained in detail, why i think it is bad to use American companies that are transphobe ands support fashism.

    So far, most have at least got it installed and are using signal to communicate with me.

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    Just make a Signal account for Gam Gam too.

    The only thing that keeps people submissive to the whims of technofeudalism is their intolerance to change, which worsens with age in an inactive mind.

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    [–] 35 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    As a person who very slowly moved my family and friends to matrix by bringing up the conversation one at a time and helping them get started, that guy sounds like a next level asshole.

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    [–] 33 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I was talking about something similar the other day, about people who "don't read sms", and I absolutely don't get it. This (Gam Gam) is the same: how the fuck do you manage to use Whatsapp, or any other messaging app, and not another? They're essentially the same! Apart from not having the old chat history, there's no difference! It's just mental laziness, IMO.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    You're speaking like someone who doesn't have elderly relatives...

    The brain's ability to adapt decreases with age, to the point where it becomes very difficult to teach an elderly person anything new, and eventually even for them to remember or be shown how to do the things they've done for years but have now forgotten. It's very frustrating for everyone involved, and expecting them to adapt is expecting them to do something they simply can not do.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Okay, how does this explain the Boomers and up who seem to only be capable of using Facebook?

    Like, if it's about adaptation, they had email and SMS long before Meta started their "clean" version of MySpace that has gotten so much worse than what it replaced.

    I'm stuck with a yearly Christmas card from a lot of older relatives because they can't manage to step back an use services they did use before the big tech algorithmic fuckery took over.

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    [–] 32 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    bro don't use discord, use Plerg! it's compatible with both Pleeb AND Schmoob!

    also remember how we all left reddit because of the bots, when Lemmy doesn't have bots either.....

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    People didn't leave reddit because of the bots, lemmy was created in opposition to reddit's openly nazi ownership and leadership; as well as a way to ensure no single reddit-style platform can be dominated by a few superusers that impose far-right moderation policies and tactics in order to limit discussion and artificially reduce left-wing political discussion.

    The fact Epstein's owner, Ghislaine Maxwell was a power-mod for multiple default subs tells you exactly who owns and runs reddit and that mods there aren't exactly neutral unpaid members of the community.

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    [–] 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    I live in the Netherlands so everyone uses Whatsapp. Which is worse than just SMS, even if SMS is less secure. Giving your data willingly to the Zuck is beyond stupid. I setup Whatsapp Business to send an autoreply that says that I'm on Signal if they want to contact me. Almost no one switches over and they just send me a SMS message. To be honest I don't care, I'm just glad that I'm not part of many family group chats anymore.

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    [–] 24 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Just leave Gam Gam behind. She neither understands nor cares what happens in a group chat. Gam Gam is just happy to eat turkey.

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    [–] 23 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    As far as opsec goes, iMessage is better than most…

    It was one of the first messaging service with with end to end encryption. Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―

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    [–] 21 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Would be better if Signal hadn't removed fucking SMS from their app

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Except no because that provides a false sense of security to people who don't understand how SMS works. Either you care about privacy or you dont. If you take privacy seriously you should't use sms perioid.

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    [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    Looks like Gam Gam is becoming a liability.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I was able to get my family to move to signal but that was because they were already on WhatsApp.

    This is a shitpost but some people are taking it a bit too seriously, a family group chat doesn’t have to risk profile to require a level of β€œOpSec” that would require everyone to be on e2ee messaging. Don’t isolate yourself from your family over MMS group chat messages, maybe just don’t share your IBS flare ups in it if you are that concerned.

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    [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    This is not how to convince people to switch platforms.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    dear god, the ruskies are gonna know about the thanksgiving plans.

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