[green, speaking, looking smug]
Okay, hear me out, here's the plan…
We go full apathy, basically we let capitalism fully spiral out into fascism. Once it's done, people will rise up and the system will collapse under its own weight. From its ashes, with our help, a better society will rise. This is how we win.

[we now see that green is tied up in front of a bleak wall, along with a group of other people, being aimed at by a firing squad of characters in fascist uniforms]
[green, smiling] OK?
[blue, pissed] Dude…

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[–] 139 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Accelerationism isn't just being apathetic, it's actively making things worse. It's voting for Trump because the DNC didn't elect Bernie Sanders.

Lenin was much the same. He knew a revolution wouldn't happen if things got better, so he did everything he could to make things as bad as humanly possible. When the provisional government came along, granted free speech rights and universal suffrage, Lenin was vehemently opposed to it, because you can't have a communist revolution when stuff is going well. A stable government is not one you can overthrow.

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    A stable government is not one you can overthrow.

    Governments (nations) are in their nature not stable. Governments can be overthrown at any moment. It is a question of how many are willing to participate, which is not that many.

    because you can’t have a communist revolution when stuff is going well

    Not Lenin's reasoning, nor is it as a statement true. Revolutions have happened exactly at points where things were looking up, take the transitions that have happened in history where monarchies were superseded by the liberal state. It is not a cyclical trend where, oh no, we have some sort of downtrend in productivity or some other sort of crisis and then the magical revolution comes to save the day. Revolutions happen because systems are forced to adopt organisational structures that satisfy (novel) needs, not because of shittiness.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    When the provisional government came along, granted free speech rights and universal suffrage

    The provisional goverment was unelected and self-appointed, arrested people for arguing in favor of refusing to fight in WWI, and after months of protests said they would allow women to vote whenever they got around to having an election but women couldn't vote until 20 and men 18.

    Lenin wasn't opposed to the provisional government when it came along because he was in Germany and didn't know how mad a lot of people were at the random gang of Chuck Schumers from the Tsarist government who had declared themselves in charge, ignoring the Soviets that were already forming an elected government, and spent months stalling their version of an election so they could keep the incredibly unpopular WWI going.

    Lenin started opposing the provisional government after 20k awol marines with machine guns showed up at his office saying they hated it, he said ok and then spent a couple months writing a book to explain why the angry guys with guns have a point.

    If he was trying to be accelerationist he would have just hyped up the marines and let them shoot everybody instead of following the path of least resistance to a stable government that could last 6 months without a coup.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I think you forgot the part where the provisional government wanted to keep drafting people to feed into the pointless meat grinder of WWI, which Lenin opposed rather strongly.

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    [–] 112 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    This isn't even the stupidest point of accelerationism. That's the assumption that your personal utopia will emerge from the ashes, instead of something much worse.

    The simple fact of the matter is that there is no path to "perfect" which doesn't track through an infinite amount of "better" first.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    I don't think utopias are a bad idea in general, but if they somehow are only reachable by collapsing most of the current system before any groundwork can even be attempted... a form that can be developed in parallel and take over at some point makes much more sense.

    Think about the transition and hopefully it doesn't require nuclear war.

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    [–] 44 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Okay, but capitalism dystopia is not going to look like that. In real capitalism, that wall will be covered in advertisements and motivation posters.

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    [+] 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    A lot of the far right is accelerationist. They've been hoping for a "race war" for many decades. Then there is the newer Effective Accelerationism/Network State/Dark Enlightenment stuff that the ultra wealthy seem to be into.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    idk, I feel like in particular the arguments I've had advocating for UBI with people arguing against it from a left wing perspective, those arguments often tend to be basically accelerationist (that it would be bad to improve things for people in a way that enables the continued existence of capitalism) or at least gesture at that. And as others have pointed out, the right is even more outwardly accelerationist.

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    [–] 29 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    Literally Ernst Thälmann. He said to let the Nazis take power, and then the whole world will see how incompetent they are, and then his communist party will surely rise up! But there are no prizes for guessing what happened to him in the end!

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    The candidate the social democrats wanted won and he's the guy who appointed Hitler chancellor! There was a three way race between "literally Hitler," "guy who will put Hitler into a position of power" and "not Hitler" (Thälmann) and somehow libs are still mad that "not Hitler" was on the ballot.

    The social democrats were the ones with the brilliant plan of punching left in favor of a "center"-right coalition, and they actually won and got what they wanted and wound up in the camps as a direct result of it!

    No prizes for guessing what happens when you trust the bourgeois parties to be an ally against fascism.

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    [–] 28 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    people will rise up

    The line in the sand as to what's acceptable has been redrawn so many times, if the people haven't risen up by now, they never will. You're stuck with the rancid orange colostomy bag until he either pops his clogs, or chooses to leave.

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    [–] 17 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    After WW2 65 million people were dead and 50% of the boys and men in Germany were dead. Everyone loses with fascism

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    [–] 15 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Accelerationism is really dumb which is why it's such a popular strawman.

    Does someone have a different opinion? Well, it could be that different people have different ideas about how the world works as well as different priorities. But that's all complicated and nuanced and forces you to contend with different perspectives. Instead, just assume that everyone has your perspective because it's just inherently obvious to everyone, but some people are intentionally trying to make things worse because they're stupid and evil.

    Virtually no one is an actual accelerationist.

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    [–] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The real solution btw is just a better consensus mechanism in our electoral process in the form of STAR Voting.
    It is quite literally that simple.
    The lack of choice (as explained in Duverger's Law) is what kills our politics and helps the media portray all political battles as us vs them and not "What shade out of a million shades of gray should this policy be?".

    tl;dr - STAR Voting is quite literally a panacea for nearly all the extreme ills that plague our politics - even a large portion of "voting doesn't matter so I won't" apathy....because to vote "strategically" under STAR Voting is to just vote honestly and every vote matters. No revolution required - just a better electoral process. I'm happy to answer any questions.

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    Governments that raise up against a totalitarian regime in anger rarely end up in a peaceful and prosperous place if they succeed, see France, Lybia, Rome, the Soviet Union/Russian Empire, China every time, Japan (under the shogunate), Egypt (Arab spring), Sudan, Somalia, Assyria (7th century BCE between 612 and 609 BCE), and so many more.

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