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Accelerationism (thelemmy.club)
submitted 4 days ago by Bad@jlai.lu to c/comicstrips@lemmy.world

[green, speaking, looking smug]
Okay, hear me out, here's the plan…
We go full apathy, basically we let capitalism fully spiral out into fascism. Once it's done, people will rise up and the system will collapse under its own weight. From its ashes, with our help, a better society will rise. This is how we win.

[we now see that green is tied up in front of a bleak wall, along with a group of other people, being aimed at by a firing squad of characters in fascist uniforms]
[green, smiling] OK?
[blue, pissed] Dude…

https://thebad.website/comic/accelerationism

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[-] RedFrank24@piefed.social 134 points 4 days ago

Accelerationism isn't just being apathetic, it's actively making things worse. It's voting for Trump because the DNC didn't elect Bernie Sanders.

Lenin was much the same. He knew a revolution wouldn't happen if things got better, so he did everything he could to make things as bad as humanly possible. When the provisional government came along, granted free speech rights and universal suffrage, Lenin was vehemently opposed to it, because you can't have a communist revolution when stuff is going well. A stable government is not one you can overthrow.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How many actual Bernie supporters voted for Trump? Or are you just making up a strawman to blame the left for the Democrats being incapable of winning the elections to a sex criminal or at the very least banning a fascist from elections during their mandate?

Lenin was much the same. He knew a revolution wouldn't happen if things got better, so he did everything he could to make things as bad as humanly possible

You are abso-fucking-lutely making that up. The Bolsheviks had support from workers and soldiers precisely because they advocated from the start on an unconditional retreat from WW1, which was leading to massive casualty numbers and famine. Pulling your country out of imperialist war (which they did immediately after Bolshevism won the revolution btw) is literally the opposite of accelerationism.

When the provisional government came along, granted free speech rights and universal suffrage, Lenin was vehemently opposed to it

If by "universal" you mean male suffrage, female suffrage was I actually first implemented in the former Russian empire by the communists. The Bolsheviks organized a coup against the provisional government to pull the RSFSR out of imperialist war, and the fact that a bunch of former political prisoners and exiles had the military support to do this and maintain a stable state (and win the upcoming civil war) proves that it was the correct choice. The unelected provisional government barely survived the fascist coups that sought to reinstate the Tsar and society was growing exhausted of famine and poverty due to the wartime conditions, if you support the provisional government you're literally arguing for Russian nationalism and militarism, blows my mind that you'd be doing this on 2026.

Look up the dates for the independence of Finland or Estonia, and tell me whether they line up with the Provisional Government or with the October Revolution, then tell me again which government was more democratic, the one keeping them under their thumb or the one drafting a constitution granting the unilateral right to self-determination and secession.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

How many actual Bernie supporters voted for Trump?

There has never been a centrist who cares.

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[-] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

A stable government is not one you can overthrow.

Governments (nations) are in their nature not stable. Governments can be overthrown at any moment. It is a question of how many are willing to participate, which is not that many.

because you can’t have a communist revolution when stuff is going well

Not Lenin's reasoning, nor is it as a statement true. Revolutions have happened exactly at points where things were looking up, take the transitions that have happened in history where monarchies were superseded by the liberal state. It is not a cyclical trend where, oh no, we have some sort of downtrend in productivity or some other sort of crisis and then the magical revolution comes to save the day. Revolutions happen because systems are forced to adopt organisational structures that satisfy (novel) needs, not because of shittiness.

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[-] yogurt@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

When the provisional government came along, granted free speech rights and universal suffrage

The provisional goverment was unelected and self-appointed, arrested people for arguing in favor of refusing to fight in WWI, and after months of protests said they would allow women to vote whenever they got around to having an election but women couldn't vote until 20 and men 18.

Lenin wasn't opposed to the provisional government when it came along because he was in Germany and didn't know how mad a lot of people were at the random gang of Chuck Schumers from the Tsarist government who had declared themselves in charge, ignoring the Soviets that were already forming an elected government, and spent months stalling their version of an election so they could keep the incredibly unpopular WWI going.

Lenin started opposing the provisional government after 20k awol marines with machine guns showed up at his office saying they hated it, he said ok and then spent a couple months writing a book to explain why the angry guys with guns have a point.

If he was trying to be accelerationist he would have just hyped up the marines and let them shoot everybody instead of following the path of least resistance to a stable government that could last 6 months without a coup.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I think you forgot the part where the provisional government wanted to keep drafting people to feed into the pointless meat grinder of WWI, which Lenin opposed rather strongly.

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 107 points 4 days ago

This isn't even the stupidest point of accelerationism. That's the assumption that your personal utopia will emerge from the ashes, instead of something much worse.

The simple fact of the matter is that there is no path to "perfect" which doesn't track through an infinite amount of "better" first.

[-] morto@piefed.social 88 points 4 days ago
[-] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 52 points 4 days ago

Or this one:

[-] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 days ago

I don't think utopias are a bad idea in general, but if they somehow are only reachable by collapsing most of the current system before any groundwork can even be attempted... a form that can be developed in parallel and take over at some point makes much more sense.

Think about the transition and hopefully it doesn't require nuclear war.

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[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 36 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This is kinda mostly a strawman though, no serious political movement advocates for accelerationism, it's just a strawman used against people further to the left than oneself.

There are a few weird fringe cults who are accelerationist like Posadists (who believe nuclear war or aliens will bring communism), but it's not by any means a position that holds a good footing in any serious political project.

The strawman often takes claims like "there is not a big practical difference between these two political parties" and twists them into "I would rather have the worse party win". Also takes descriptive statements like "people usually revolt when hungry" and attributes an intentionality to them, like "I wish more people would go hungry so that they starve more", as if making an observation about the nature of protest and revolt implied supporting the conditions that create it.

[-] sobchak@programming.dev 29 points 4 days ago

A lot of the far right is accelerationist. They've been hoping for a "race war" for many decades. Then there is the newer Effective Accelerationism/Network State/Dark Enlightenment stuff that the ultra wealthy seem to be into.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Wow.....a race war would not go well for the far right.

When I hear "far right", I think of middle aged angry white guys. We already HAD that war! At least in the united states....it was in the 1800s, and it did not go well for those who supported racial discrimination.

And that's underselling the whole thing quite a bit.

[-] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Didn't exactly go horribly for them either. Reconstruction ended early and a lot of concessions were made on behalf of "the economy" and "unifying the nation".

They should have let Sherman finish what he started.

[-] Pman@lemmy.org 5 points 3 days ago

Yes and no, the confederates lost the war but their whitewashing of history has quite a bit of staying power to the point that states like West Virginia and Ohio who had massively supported the Union in the Civil War are now more likely neo confederates and agree with the south take on "the war of northern aggression" which they started by attacking federal forces and raiding federal weapons depots while backing out of the federal government allowing it to pass a law they cite as the reason they backed out of it, rather than it being able to pass because they backed out. Also the war still left separate but equal and racial discrimination on the books and the last chattel slave in the US was freed during world war 2. So what the south (Pro-confederate states) and Americans who swallowed their propaganda learned was that fighting a war without seeding the ground everywhere first with their point of view and taking over things from the inside, like they did under Wilson, arguably the worst US president of the 20th century, and Trump just took that playbook and took it farther than the public was ready for but still pushed and those special interest groups that supported him had the choice to renounce him and be reviled by both major political wings of the US or back him to the hilt while he destroys the US from within, because if you can't get everything you want at least you can make sure nobody else gets anything either.

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[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 days ago

idk, I feel like in particular the arguments I've had advocating for UBI with people arguing against it from a left wing perspective, those arguments often tend to be basically accelerationist (that it would be bad to improve things for people in a way that enables the continued existence of capitalism) or at least gesture at that. And as others have pointed out, the right is even more outwardly accelerationist.

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[-] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

people will rise up

The line in the sand as to what's acceptable has been redrawn so many times, if the people haven't risen up by now, they never will. You're stuck with the rancid orange colostomy bag until he either pops his clogs, or chooses to leave.

[-] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Nope. Fascism is there to stay for the next decade regardless of what happens to Trump.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

There is an economic calamity coming that most people alive have never witnessed and barely understand the magnitude of from their history books. Were probably 6 months to a year away from it, it really depends how much fertilizer is getting out of Hormuz right now.

That will be a turning point. Either people use that to come together and turn away from fascism or fascism cements itself. Either way, I predict much hardship in the foreseeable future.

[-] iglou@programming.dev 5 points 3 days ago

Oh, no. People will rise up eventually. It's just a shame that most people turn out to be olympic athletes in mental gymnastics and delay the realization to the next generation(s).

[-] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

If people are not actively starving they basically never rise up. That's been true though all of History.

It takes SERIOUSLY major direct impact to people's day to day life in meaningful ways to kick start a revolution.

[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago

Okay, but capitalism dystopia is not going to look like that. In real capitalism, that wall will be covered in advertisements and motivation posters.

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[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Literally Ernst Thälmann. He said to let the Nazis take power, and then the whole world will see how incompetent they are, and then his communist party will surely rise up! But there are no prizes for guessing what happened to him in the end!

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The candidate the social democrats wanted won and he's the guy who appointed Hitler chancellor! There was a three way race between "literally Hitler," "guy who will put Hitler into a position of power" and "not Hitler" (Thälmann) and somehow libs are still mad that "not Hitler" was on the ballot.

The social democrats were the ones with the brilliant plan of punching left in favor of a "center"-right coalition, and they actually won and got what they wanted and wound up in the camps as a direct result of it!

No prizes for guessing what happens when you trust the bourgeois parties to be an ally against fascism.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 10 points 3 days ago

Who the fuck is downvoting this?

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[-] yogurt@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Wrong guy. Thallman gave a speech in Hamburg in May 1932 about the launch of the Antifa organization criticizing anybody thinking they can benefit from Hitler taking power and warning you can't play with fascism. Then a book in the 1970s picked out where he's quoting the idea he's against and only quoted the quote trying to manufacture this convenient ironic twist where actually communists deserved to die in death camps.

The head of the SPD social democratic party paramilitary wing Reichsbanner gave a speech in February 1933 (right after Hitler took power, right before the Reichstag fire) and did actually say "after Hitler our turn" arguing it was good to let Hitler expand the military because the SPD would get a cool new army when they won the next election.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Doesn't help that the social democrats had murdered the more moderate leaders of the communists (like Rosa Luxembourg) just a few years before that and funded the Freikorps with government funds. How is a small party (KPD) without access to government more accelerationist than the big party in government (SPD) actively funding Nazi death squads to murder communists already a decade before?

Also, the SPD leaders literally flipped its anti-militarist stance overnight when WW1 broke out. Again, who's the accelerationist, the one protesting against that and being murdered by fascists or the party in government funding said fascists and supporting WW1?

[-] Butterphinger@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 days ago

Capitalists: take notes on what the Nazis did wrong and tiptoe around it

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

After WW2 65 million people were dead and 50% of the boys and men in Germany were dead. Everyone loses with fascism

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[-] hiawatha98@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago
[-] Pman@lemmy.org 7 points 3 days ago

Governments that raise up against a totalitarian regime in anger rarely end up in a peaceful and prosperous place if they succeed, see France, Lybia, Rome, the Soviet Union/Russian Empire, China every time, Japan (under the shogunate), Egypt (Arab spring), Sudan, Somalia, Assyria (7th century BCE between 612 and 609 BCE), and so many more.

[-] AlbynRailroad@fedinsfw.app 15 points 4 days ago

The real solution btw is just a better consensus mechanism in our electoral process in the form of STAR Voting.
It is quite literally that simple.
The lack of choice (as explained in Duverger's Law) is what kills our politics and helps the media portray all political battles as us vs them and not "What shade out of a million shades of gray should this policy be?".

tl;dr - STAR Voting is quite literally a panacea for nearly all the extreme ills that plague our politics - even a large portion of "voting doesn't matter so I won't" apathy....because to vote "strategically" under STAR Voting is to just vote honestly and every vote matters. No revolution required - just a better electoral process. I'm happy to answer any questions.

[-] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

Someone do a version of the comic with this guy’s comment as the text of the first panel, please.

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[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 6 points 4 days ago

No revolution required - just a better electoral process. I'm happy to answer any questions.

Why would the ruling capitalist class allow an electoral process that represents the working class against their own interests, if they haven't allowed this anywhere at any time?

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 days ago

Accelerationism is really dumb which is why it's such a popular strawman.

Does someone have a different opinion? Well, it could be that different people have different ideas about how the world works as well as different priorities. But that's all complicated and nuanced and forces you to contend with different perspectives. Instead, just assume that everyone has your perspective because it's just inherently obvious to everyone, but some people are intentionally trying to make things worse because they're stupid and evil.

Virtually no one is an actual accelerationist.

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