Do you understand how much water and energy is used in data centers that are required to run AI? It's absolutely asinine to support them at this unsustainable rate that they're being built.

AI has become the face of end stage capitalism. The death of consent and the blatant display of business interests over community and society

“The public” as a faceless mass, doesn’t really have any notions of shades of grey. Everything is either loved or hated and no in between is considered, because at the end of the day, it’s sensationalism headlines and not much else.

As for the points you’ve made, AI needs? Needed? to stay in its lane, but a lot of people and governments got grifted into dumping millions into it, and it’s mostly useless for any sort of practical applications, so now that garbage is in everything, being peddled as the one all fix all, when at its current best it’s not even a reliable text processor.

If they want to develop it, I don’t have a problem with that, but everything needs to be rolled back like 2 years back, before all this bullshit started and continue from there. Too much shit has been compromised and compromised on since then.

Weirdly enough, I think the title kinda got it right in that people hate the AI industry but the article then generalizes it, claiming people hate the tech itself. Some people definitely do but pretty much everyone has a critical view on the industry and the tech giants behind it.

People hate the "how" more than the "what", so to speak.

Glances at Palantir’s complete and total access to all communications, civilian and military

…customer service is the example of bad???

I respect the effort in constructing a more nuanced take. I just think that most of your points are ignorant.

The idea that automation is intrinsically beneficial to humanity is extremely dubious.

And, to borrow a quote, I am not able to rightfully apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke the statement "I'm in favor of AI being developed as long as there is economic interest in it".

I'm in favor of AI being developed further as long as there is economic interest in it

Yeah fuck the planet, children, women, students, teachers, artists, and the myriad of other people currently actively harmed by AI, won't someone think of the economy?

I agree with you, but at the same time, AI kinda amplify every bad aspect of our society. It show how much employers want to get rid of their employees to the point of willing to replace them with an experimental technology. It exacerbate climate change with resource hungry data centers. It accelerate enshitification. It show how messed up the whole investment thing is (AI companies investing into each other). Government want to use it to increase their surveillance of us. It make armies salivate at the idea of having an army of relentless robot.

Like you, I'm not necessarily against it, I don't think it's possible to stop progress and that is definetly a part of it. Still, I can't wait for the bubble to pop so that AI go back to being a thing instead of the thing.

I don't think so. Shitler pushed the autobahn, but there isn't a nuanced take there - its so much more terrible overall.

When something is 98% terrible but has some costly uses (environment, consolidation of power through info gathering, literal genocide, etc.) the nuance seems like a straw grasp or a lack of info.

Not on this platform. For being this open, federated and free of censorship, there's a whole load of shit you aren't allowed to discuss here.

Open vs closed AI is the most important “fight” right now, as it would completely collapse the kind of future regime people like Altman are trying to jawbone into reality.

It’s why they never shut up about their AI, yet you never hear any of these tech bros discuss Deepseek or Mistral or anything that can be run locally other than in passing. To speak it is to acknowledge that OpenAI and such don’t have anything special; “AI” as they’re developing is just a dumb commodity, that’s more or less topped out in intelligence but will get exponentially cheaper.

And they can’t make any money off that. If it’s all just a sea of open weights that cost virtually nothing to inference, where’s the profit?

And that’s why they’re stoking direct AI hate. That’s why they’re stoking AI safety concerns. They’re leaning into it. It distracts everyone from what would pop the AI bubble overnight: the realization that none of this buildout or investment is makes any sense.

…Hence, all these comments.

It costs less energy to inference a DSV4 prompt than your computer used while you read this Lemmy post. And it’s going to get dramatically cheaper. Yet people are still harping on AI power costs as if it’s inevitable, because that’s what Big Tech is pushing.

Going by the votes, it seems the answer to your original question is no, no nuanced discussion around these parts, and apparently fuck you for wanting that. Lol, yeah, I just avoid mentioning the things I find it useful for, no one cares, and they'll think you're just as bad as billionaires flying around in private jets, while they use their smart phones and Nike's like hypocrites.

Just don't touch AI discussion with a 10ft pole.