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submitted 2 years ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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On saturday I took delivery of this package - the order was done directly through Apple's UK website and the tracking was all legit. I got confirmation emails from apple and tracking details through DPD, everything as you would expect.

Once my package arrived, as you can see in my Imgur Gallery, I immediately knew it wasn't right.
I opened the box and the first thing I notice is the screen protector, first thoughts were, had I been sent a return?
The next thing I notice when I turn it on, the screen isnt right, it lights up the black area in a way that is clearly not OLED and the bottom has a 'Chin' which suggests this is not correct for the phone.
Once I turned it on I was greeted with a very poor setup process and I immediately clocked that it was an android device in a skin. It may have convinced my Grandad but I could tell very quickly (especially when I saw actual android toasts popping up in some cases)
I managed to skip all the setup screens and get into the phone. It has facebook, youtube and tiktok installed already, the OS is glitchy and horrible, the camera is like a slideshow and crashes if you try to use any UI element on screen.

My main worry with this is that there are many people out there getting these phones and some may think it's legit and then login to them using their apple IDs, facebook accounts, google etc etc. The phone is a match to the spec I ordered, Pro Max in natural titanium. Why go to the effort of matching my order is my question. Are they hoping to get on my wifi network or get login details for things? What if I tried to setup apple wallet? The app is there on the home screen when I open it.

Before anyone asks, yes I have a ticket open with Apple support and they will be getting back to me soon. I can update in comments if anyone is interested in the resolution to this issue.
Mainly I wanted to try and get this out there as a warning. If you do recieve anything like this, dont let it on your wifi network and dont login to it on anything, god knows what it could be hooked up to do.

Anyone got any ideas as to how this was achieved? I've been speculating with friends already. At first I thought DPD did the switch but they assure me that the box was sealed properly and so it was never opened or tampered with so couldnt of been them... Then I thought it might be at the supplier end? What's crazy to me is that the whole delivery was trackable through the apple website and the tracking number on the box and everything matched so the process wasn't broken at all from apple's side either. Very interesting.

Anyways TLDR: I got an Android phone dressed as an iPhone that I ordered brand new direct from apple. It could be a scam to get my data - beware with your new phone purchases!

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

That’s very scary! The fact that people are now manufacturing Android phones dressed as iPhones and switching them out during the ordering process makes me nervous. It’s a good thing you are an experienced customer. Thank goodness you knew what to look for. Thanks for the warning ⚠️!

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

do u work in security or something? lol maybe u were specifically targeted. that's crazy

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Nah but we make software for a company that tackles retail fraud. I very much doubt the scammers know that though.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

That is just r/Crazy

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

and i thought ordering a phone from amazon was safe

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I hope you didn’t put any person information into this device 😬

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yep never buying a device like this from Amazon or any other seller that does not vet their inventory.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Where are you based? I got the same phone (model, config) delivered by DPD on the same day.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Do the serial number and IMEI of the device match the numbers on the box?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Similar experience. Sent an iPhone 14 Pro Max in for replacement about three weeks after I bought it. Apple denied the claim stating “phone not returned.”

Long story short, when I mailed my phone in using their pre-posted packaging, someone at FedEx intercepted it and replaced with weights. Only saving grace is the thief (assuming a FedEx employee) didn’t replace with an exact weight, so they were able to determine that the contents were tampered with after I initially dropped off.

The fix: I only pickup from an Apple Store now.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Similar thing happened with me at FedEx.

I sent in my 14PM after I got my replacement from Apple. Apple never got the phone I sent and they charged me the full price. I contacted them, and thankfully I had the receipt showing that I had dropped it off, then they refunded me the amount. He said they were able to figure out what happened but couldn’t share the details.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Same thing happened with my trade in. Arrived with an empty box. Luckily they still gave me full value, said it’s happening all the time though.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I’ve personally seen two iPhone trade-ins vanish in shipping, and one new phone vanish. My spouse’s and two friends. In all cases Apple gave them the trade-in credit or sent another phone and opened an investigation with UPS/FedEx.

Apparently this happens a lot. Best to do in-store trade-in, but if you do, make sure you have the new phone and manually do an eSIM transfer before they take the old one. Otherwise, you will be heading across the mall to your carrier’s store.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

The EMID on the box doesn't match the EMID on the screen and I suspect the serial number doesn’t either. Was the box shrink-wrapped and had seals on the sides? Re-shrink wrapping isn’t hard, but the box will usually show damage if the seals are removed. As others have said, this looks more like someone tampered with it in shipping.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

This is why you record your unboxing.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Same thing happened to me except there was no phone in the box. Now I will only purchase in-store.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I’ll tell you exactly what happened.

Someone bought a phone, replaced it with a fake phone. Took it to an Apple Store and the sales employee must’ve been in a hurry and returned it. Not just returned it but returned it in a state where it’s a closed box (which should never be selected as this means it’s completely unopened and ready to be instantly sold) The device got sent back to the warehouse or went into local inventory and the rest is history. Some unfortunate sap (sorry) is getting it and now has to deal with this crazy situation that takes around a week to resolve. But apples lost prevention team will get it straightened out.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Cool lesson to always always record deliveries like that in one shot from it arriving to totally unboxed and verified. Otherwise nobody is going to believe it wasn’t you that swapped the phone.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

For a fake, it actually doesn't look half bad lol.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Send an email to Apple executive dept.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I received a new MacBook through DPD last week and someone had evidently tried to get in the package. They couldn’t get in without breaking the box seal thankfully but I still made them aware and checked it over throughly.

I doubt this has come from Apple, even if someone returns a phone it goes through loads of checking before being resold. Someone in the distribution chain has swooped it out knowing exactly what it is. You did the right thing taking loads of photos and I hope this isn’t a pain for you to contest but it might be.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

This is supply chain tampering, law enforcement will be keen to investigate.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

The theft which now seems to be happening at courier companies is quite worrying. I was anxious about getting my iPhone 15 Pro delivered, having read multiple accounts of expensive items being swapped at Amazon, but this is the first time I’ve read about it from Apple directly, who always seem to use big contracted companies like DPD or FedX as opposed to the “man in a van” type arrangements Amazon often uses.

It’s getting to the point where for every delivery of an expensive item, you need to film opening the door, taking the box and opening it as a single take so you at least have some evidence and leverage with the supplier. I’ve read it taking weeks and hours of time to get sorted as Amazon don’t believe you, even though they must know due to the extent that it happens, they have a big problem with the theft of electrical items.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

that took a lot of effort both on hardware side and software side to approximate an iphone! JFC

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Oh boy. Contact Apple, they will be all over it, 100%. If there is something Tim Apple hates, it is someone messing with his distribution chain.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Do you have picture of the brown box it was delivered in?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yes but I wont be posting that, cba to go through and redact info in photoshop. There was no evidence of tampering with the brown box it came in and the label looks legit too.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

also seems likely someone did a “closed-box” return but swapped the device, was placed in inventory/sold to you.

had a situation at my store a few years ago where we received multiple returns, but the box was filled with cement to match the weight of the actual product. always something different every year ]:

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Crazy. Every package I’ve gotten from Apple has been in such a nondescript box that there was no way of knowing it came from Apple. Even the return addresses don’t give any indication. Definitely happened early in the chain of shipping.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

In the US there’s definitely a distinctive standardized cardboard box Apple ships their devices in. There’s usually a perforated tear away cardboard tab to open the envelope style box.

Also in the US it’s required to put a combustible battery warning label on the box. It’s pretty obvious there’s some sort of electronic device inside.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Long story short, someone at DPD swapped it. Apple will refuse to replace it. Check here

I had a similar experience with my 15 Pro Max order. Received a 14 Pro Max instead. It was brand new and sealed and confirmed to be real by Apple. The shipping carton also appeared to be sealed, although after closer inspection, one end looked like it had been opened and re-sealed.

Apple completed an investigation and found that there was absolutely no way an iPhone 14 could have ended up in there. They refused to replace the device. Some people have even received better devices than they ordered, but are still refused a replacement.

In the end, I sent a Karen email to Tim Cook and they agreed to replace my device “as a gesture of goodwill”. Others had this luck? too, but at least one has been denied.

Apple don’t provide any details of their investigation nor will they discuss how they are confident in a 0% error rate in their distribution processes. But one of the victims on the above link has been told by a mobile network that there may be a scam involving courier employees and a device that can scan Apple parcels to determine the contents in order to switch it for fake/stolen phones. Sounds farfetched. I definitely just thought they’d mixed mine up, but that was before it took me 7 weeks to get a £1,500 phone that I’d paid for and found a dozen other people with the same issue.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Are you also in UK? Seems UK is rapidly declining.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Huh I wonder why a scammer would replace it with a real sealed iPhone 14 Pro Max vs a cheap copy like in OP’s case. Your phone wasn’t blacklisted or anything right?

I wonder if in your case it was an honest mistake made at the Apple warehouse depot level vs an actual scam. I believe all of these packages and devices are serialized so mistakes like these shouldn’t happen.

So in their investigation Apple basically thought you were trying to scam them by trying to swap for a newer model?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

This is literally exactly what I told Apple. Brand new, sealed, legit iPhone 14 Pro Max that wasn’t blacklisted or activation locked and Apple Care checker showed manufacture date of a few weeks prior to receipt. I hadn’t even opened the device box. Saw it immediately and assumed they’d just sent me someone else’s order and would replace it. Couldn’t believe it when they sent me an email that simply said “we’ve completed our investigation and concluded that the item was delivered on x date”

Apple have told me on several occasions that it’s impossible for them to mix them up. I don’t know how, but even the exec I spoke to told me the same. They don’t even want the 14 Pro Max back. Because they say it’s not their property, so can’t take it.

There are people who’ve ordered 15 pro, but received the 1TB 15 Pro Max. Apple still take the same stance. Despite the £1,000 price difference in the customers favour. I still can’t work out what the scam is in this instance.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

What’s with you ppl making shit up. Oh yeah you emailed the CEO of the most profitable tech company and he was like “goodwill” hahahaha

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yes please keep us updated. I am very interested, how apple handles this. I think since apple has very controlled processes, i don‘t wanna be the guy which caused the problem (it is kind of social engineering and i think apple going hard on this).

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Ordered an Apple Watch direct from Apple a few years ago. It took 3 replacements to get it to me because it kept being stolen from the package. It finally came down to the packaging tape that was used to close the box again. Apple uses their own specific type of packaging tape. It ended up that FedEx had a group of people stealing Apple products. It was finally sent through a different FedEx branch and I opened it in front of the delivery driver to confirm it was in there. Anyways, I said all of this to confirm the packaging tape with Apple with pictures of the box.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

the person who was shipping it might have done a sneaky switch

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Carrier definitely messed with it. They know exactly what’s in your package from Apple.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I’m curious to see how Apple handles the situation.

In the tracking info, was it shipped from their warehouse overseas in China/India or from somewhere closer? I remember the iPhone 12 I bought came directly from China.

I’m guessing it had to have been switched at the delivery level, maybe at the shipping warehouse or by a courier. The cardboard boxes Apple uses to ship their products are pretty standardized and obvious to people who’ve seen them before.

What did Apple say? Did Apple have you bring the fake phone to the Apple Store or ship it back to them for investigation? Did they give you a time frame on when they’ll get back to you?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Organized crime has re-infiltrated several shippers. Fun fact: UPS was started as liquor-smuggling front by Al Capone.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

This is wild. I have heard about these fake iPhones. Never seen one though. It looks like a modified Motorola judging by the chin at the bottom.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

‪People thinking Apple actually shipped this guy a fake is hilarious. It’s obviously been switched out en-route. So people are so dumb. ‬

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I wonder if it's some specifically made fake iphone or maybe an actual android phone mocked up to like an iphone

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

What’s going to happen to the fake iPhone you received after Apple sends you over the replacement?

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