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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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I mean, this is still all true, but damn. Why is boingboing reporting on a nearly 20-year-old site in response to news about the diamond industry? One could argue the existence of that site and people's knowledge of all that being true is part of why diamond sales were in the crapper anyway...

boingboing has really gone downhill since most of the original team left and it became an ad-infested mess.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I agree we shouldn't be using them for jewelry, diamonds are factually very important and incredibly valuable to manufacturing.

They're the only thing hard enough to cut and shape tungsten carbide, which is instrumental in basically any complex machinery work.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the ones in tools are man made and they're a lot cheaper to buy

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Depends on the tooling you're going for. Synthetic diamonds are great for creating abrasives, which makes up the majority of industrial diamond tools.

But for a lot of machining where you need a large cutting head, industrial diamonds are a little too small. I think most synthetic diamonds are less than a millimeter in diameter. They can be made larger, but they take a long time and aren't very cost effective.

The vast majority of diamonds mined are industrial grade, especially the larger ones. So you end up using a bit of both depending on your application.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interestingly, moissanite (per the source referenced by the article) exceed diamonds in hardness ("toughness") as well.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I saw that as well, but I think cut hardness must be jewelers terminology. As far as actual hardness diamonds are a 10 on the mohs scale, moissanite is a 9.25, and tungsten carbide is usually around 9-9.5.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Interestingly, the pic used is a diamond discovered in Crater of Diamonds State Park in Murfreesboro, AR. It's a unique 83 acre kimberlite site where you can pay a small fee, and take the kids to search for a diamond that, if you find one, you get to keep. I lived 42 years in Arkansas, and we took our kids and had a fun time digging and teaching the kids about geology.

I say all that to make the point there are good sides to understanding diamonds without the BS surrounding shitty business practices and human exploitation. That park is a decent step in the right direction.

https://www.arkansasstateparks.com/parks/crater-diamonds-state-park

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The stupidest part is synthetic diamonds are just as good for anyone but the most discerning of jewelers, but people still don't want them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Because natural diamonds are made artificially scarce, that is why they are so expensive.

While synthetic are not.

People want expensive things, not diamonds per se.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Not that stupid when you realize a lot of people see them as status symbols and don't want people to think it's "fake" even if its better or rather perfect. Sucks but ig people really like bloodied shiny rocks over anything else if it makes them look rich.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I've been getting podcast ads lately for "natural diamonds" which is badmouthing man made diamonds and a it give a couple very true facts about how 80% of the diamond's value stays in the community and it's all legal and above board and definitely no one dies for these diamonds.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait, wait! Lemme guess. "Exploitation of child labor, unsafe (ie. lethal) practices, and general corruption", right?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah but also cut hardness shine fire brilliance etc etc. moissonite is objectively superior in every way.

This site is about two very simple truths: (1) diamonds are an incredible rip-off, and (2) a little known naturally-occuring gemstone called moissanite is superior to diamonds in every essential way: cut, color, clarity, durability, fire, brilliance, and cost.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When I proposed to my wife, I gave her the choice. Sure could have a diamond, or she could have a moissonite (which is sparklier) and we could pay off her car loan. She made the right choice.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She married someone richer? 😂

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Shit. Where'd I put my burn cream...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The engagement ring I gave to my wife had natural diamonds, but it belonged to my great-grandmother, so I felt it was ethical enough. I certainly wouldn't have bought a new one that wasn't synthetic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Re-use beats new every time

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

You forgot about the whole, hoard heaps and pretend they're rare and we don't have swimming pools worth in warehouses.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

All my homies hate diamonds.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I love BoingBoing. It has shown me some interesting news articles from all around the internet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've heard that diamonds brought to the surface from the depths below change with time cos they don't experience the pressure anymore.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I heard that you won't be able to tell the difference because you're not a jeweler.

Personally, I think it's good people value 'natural' diamonds more so they can get ripped off by being sold synthetic diamonds and told they're natural.

They won't be able to tell the difference, and they have enough money to fund their stupidity.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have a feeling that you're implying negative critique on me.
Just telling what I heard, mate. I don't know is it a fact or not. I don't use or buy diamonds and I don't know much about them.

Cheating people is not cool.
One thing you could do would be to get the diamond checked to find out its authenticity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cheating rich idiots is definitely cool.

They only got rich by cheating others, so it's all fair.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They only got rich by cheating others, so it’s all fair.

While that may be the case in many situations, I doubt it is in every existing case.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or they inherited it from someone who took advantage of others, correct.

I guess you can make an argument for restitution.