History will not be kind to Florida
this post was submitted on 11 Nov 2023
246 points (100.0% liked)
LGBTQ+
2719 readers
111 users here now
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
History
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to teach that in Florida.
Only in the context of the truth.
I'm currently visiting a friend in Florida, and frankly, the present isn't too kind to Florida either.
Not if they ban history books /s
Now, Vary has filed a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which could prompt a legal challenge of the “Don’t Say Gay” law’s expansion.
Does this have any chance of doing anything? I'm very surprised at their boldness to document exactly why they were firing them - do they think they can withstand the legal challenge or are they just stupid? (it's always hard to guess with homophobes)
Title VII of the Civil Rights Acts prohibits discrimination based on sex in matters of employment. They can dictate what teachers teach, but this should be a slam dunk under federal law.
The argument is going to be that it prohibits discrimination based on sex and not gender
And in the same breath they'll claim that sex and gender are the same "You are what is in your pants and only that!"
Theyre boundary testing like all sociopaths inevitably do.
If this does not violate some anti-discrimination laws that you are doing law wrong. I am fairly certain this would not be legal in my country.
Last year a trans teacher in my country was not only removed but also libeled so badly she had to kill herself, the news were more or less like "see? she was actually mentally ill"... For those who don't remember, source but not for the faint of heart.
Is Mx. pronounced "Mix?"
I'm all for gender-inclusive language and try to use it as much as possible (ie "mail person" instead of "mail man" and using "they" instead of defaulting to "he" when gender is unknown). But God am I tired of replacing everything with an X, haha.
I'd just call them "teacher [last name]" like how college professors tend to go by "professor [last name]" and call it a day.
Latinx is hated by the majority of Hispanic people because it's unpronounceable in Spanish, so you can drop that one.
(Am Hispanic ftr, despise the term)
A nonbinary person of Hispanic origins I watch on YouTube uses 'Latine'
Yeah that's a more generally agreed upon one. I personally use Hispanic or Latino as an adjective, and Latine for singular gender neutral
Ok but it's not a Spanish term. Do they also complain about all the other English words that exist?
Not that I support latinx, but that's a pretty lame excuse to be against it
Ok but it's not a Spanish term.
Who told you that?
Why do you think it's a Spanish term?
Nah, Latino is a word that springs from spanish. It isn't actually an English word, it just got borrowed.
So, not only was the word co-opted from Latino people, the crazy crackers decided that they could ignore the objections of Latinos to the change to their words. That's as opposed to the not-crazy crackers that know better than to fuck around with someone else's internal labels
Seriously my dude, if you don't know any latinos well enough to ask about this kind of thing, you're missing out. My best friend's husband is Nicaraguan, and he'll do this half hour long rant in spanglish about it that is impressive in both scope and venom. And you don't even wanna hear his mom go off about it! She gets mean lol.
Latino is a word that springs from spanish. It isn't actually an English word, it just got borrowed.
Lol what? Where do you think English gets me out of its words.
So, not only was the word co-opted from Latino people
Copoted? Are you kidding?
the crazy crackers decided that they could ignore the objections of Latinos to the change to their words
"Their" words? The term originated from LGBT AMERICAN Latinos. It's an English term because it originated in American by Americans Latino heritage. You need to stop gatekeeping basic words.
if you don't know any latinos well enough to ask about this kind of thing
Ask about what kind of thing? If they don't like it that's totally fine. I really don't care one way or the other. It has 0 impact on me. But to say the word itself is racist and co-opted is also just stupid
and he'll do this half hour long rant in spanglish about it that is impressive in both scope and venom. And you don't even wanna hear his mom go off about it! She gets mean lol.
What does this have to do with anything other than people can have preferences
I’m a nonbinary teacher. My students just call me by my last name with no honorific most of the time
How do you assert your authority over a bunch of children without forcing them to acknowledge your superiority every time they address you? /s
Yes
Most commonly yes. There are other ways to pronounce it and I suppose if the person pronounces it differently I'd go with what they say.
Guess this is why I like college. I just call everybody Professor and not risking strange looks or offending anybody.
The article states that the teacher in question asked if they could go by professor, to which the principal said was in violation of the same law. Which means in Florida you cannot call a teacher professor, as it is gender neutral.
Howsabout "Teacher" lmao
Teachess
What the fuck? Admittedly I didn't read the article because I thought they banned "they".
Funnily enough, I think this depends on country. I'm in Australia and I've heard lecturers ask the class not to call them Professor since that is a title within the University (I'm guessing something similar to Captain in an Army). I think most couldn't care less, but I've had 1 or 2 ask in the first class not to use that title. So you can't win.
Yes, it makes nonbinary people sound like rappers and I'm here for it
(Plus every NB person I know has a name like "blue" or "sock", which makes it especially fun)
How do they arrive at such bold names? I'm so jealous and yet... Perhaps not as brave either. I'm a transfem she/her rather than nonbinary.
Vary refused to go by the title “Ms”, and it was eventually decided that she would be fired – despite Florida’s ongoing teacher shortage crisis.
In an article that is focusing on gender identity, did Pink News mess up Vary's pronouns or am I missing something?
Two months later still not fixed. Yep, they messed up.
any news on all the people at that school using "Dr" improperly who didn't get fired?