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[–] [M] 8 points 7 months ago

People can't be civil, locking.

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  • [–] 242 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Isn't their slogan "shop like a billionaire?". This tracks.

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    [–] 85 points 7 months ago (57 children)

    I don't understand this. They're dolls, they aren't alive. Why people would care? This may be controversial, but I'd rather have a pedophile fucking a doll than raping a child

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  • [–] 74 points 7 months ago* (18 children)

    Exactly. Same with faux bait stuff. I personally think it's gross so I don't consume it, but if everyone is a consenting adult and it stops people from consuming real CSAM I can't really support banning it.

    But the problem many people have with stuff like that is they assume the people consuming it will go on to do it to real people, which is the same argument they tried to use against violent video games.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (14 children)

    It wouldn’t compel me to hurt people, but I definitely get more into kinks the more time I spend with them (to a point). Violence in media has never had a noticeable effect on me though.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago* (13 children)

    Society would probably actually benefit from a non political purely objective science-based commission to review published data, make recommendations for new studies, and come up with an evidence-based recommendation to governments about whether virtual CSAM (no actual children harmed or in AI training data) and lifelike child sex dolls result in statistically more child predation.

    I haven't deep dived on this so maybe it's already well known among sociologists/psych pathologists. But the key is a trusted science-based policy. We did it for violent video games and found no correlation. Not at all obvious to me if that also holds for pederasty.

    Yeah I know, the trusted scientific commission is not going to happen

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    whether virtual CSAM (no actual children harmed or in AI training data) and lifelike child sex dolls result in statistically more child predation.

    It could but I doubt that it would. Pedophiles don't rape children - rapists do. Being both is rare. Having been born with attraction to children doesn't mean they automatically also lack a moral compas and self-control. Most of them know it's wrong and never offend. The vast majority of people in prison for child sexual abuse aren't pedophiles but just good old rapists. Kids simply make an easy target.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    It's a moral panic - pure and simple. The same reason some countries want to ban cartoon/animated pictures where the fictional character looks too young. I guess the underlying assumption there is that it'll increase the number of people offending towards real children but I don't think there's any evidence to back that up.

    If it was up to me, the criteria would be whether an actual person is being hurt directly or as a consequence of. That would include real violence, real pictures and possibly also GenAI stuff if it's trained on real content.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    I believe the last time something like this came up, the argument was raised that it normalizes the behavior and leads to escalation, i.e. “they’re just illustrations” “it’s just a doll” to “I’m just taking photos” or “it’s just touching”, this time against actual victims

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  • [–] 38 points 7 months ago*

    Slippery slope fallacy. We know that consumption of real CSAM might increase frustration and lead to pursuit of real crimes. However, we don't have the same level of evidence for illustrations or sex dolls. It's a massive blind side in the scientific literature. It's very hard to study.

    Despite this, the number one risk factor still remains unsupervised access to minors. Regardless of whether the abuser consumes abuse media or not.

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    [–] 43 points 7 months ago (38 children)

    I don't think that banning this kind of product will solve the fact that there are people with a disorder. So what's the point? Moralism?

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    [–] 26 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Ngl any reason to block shein is good.

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    [–] 23 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Sex dolls resembling weapons is where I draw the line.

    Ok the kid ones are bad too.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    I read the entire article looking for this and couldn't find anything and I'm so confused. Did they mean to say "Selling weapons and sex dolls resembling children"?

    Or are we literally talking about Desert Eagle Fleshlights?

    Edit: I just realized that "Selling weapons and sex dolls resembling children" is equally as confusing. The weapons resemble children? A Glock 9mm-year-old

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