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France bids to suspend Shein over childlike sex dolls (www.abc.net.au)
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[–] 43 points 7 months ago (38 children)

I don't think that banning this kind of product will solve the fact that there are people with a disorder. So what's the point? Moralism?

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  • [+] -14 points 7 months ago (23 children)

    If banning sex dolls that look like children is moralism, I'm OK with that.

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  • [–] 41 points 7 months ago* (22 children)

    "that look like children" is not enforceable. Are you requiring a minimum height? A minimum number of ageing features? A certain breast size? What about cartoon/anime stylized products?

    But the core issue is that this literally won't solve anything and it's, therefore, a waste of time and public money.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Why do you think it is unenforceable? Australia already enforces a ban on these dolls and arrests anyone attempting to import them.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I believe they meant it wasn't easy to consistently enforce, for the reasons they mention.

    Australia might be doing this, but it doesn't change that it's all arbitrary and impossible to prove in court outside of the "best judgement" call argument, which is by definition inconsistent.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago*

    That, and the fact they're playing tag with people trying to sell it, which are breaking down these dolls into parts and selling them separately. And what for? In the end it's just an object which sales ban won't solve any real issues.

    If it was for free, I'd consider supporting it. But it has a cost, it's subjective (to some extent), and has no tangible benefit other than making some people feel good about themselves.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Anime stuff is crazy. What amounts to young girls with huge tits in a lot of cases. All kinds of products like bedding or pillows feature them, and of course there’s porn of it, and as far as I can tell it doesn’t get treated any different than a niche weird porn. Somehow these are fine, but sex dolls aren’t? I’m not advocating for one or the other, but it seems like if we call one “bad”, the other should be too.

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  • [+] -22 points 7 months ago* (16 children)

    If you read the title of the article, it would seem this is absolutely enforceable.

    Also, of course Lemmy is arguing in favour of child sex dolls, I'd expect nothing less.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Ofc you frame it that way. Most people on here are just against banning things where there's A, no victims and B, no real way to determine age. You'd have to ban drawings the same way if the characters appear childlike. How is this enforceable. By the opinion of whoever is looking over something? The article specifically mentions weight and size but I don't think thats sufficient in itself.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    In the US obscene drawings of underage characters in sexual situations is illegal under the Protect act "Section 1466A of Title 18, United States Code, makes it illegal for any person to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with intent to transfer or distribute visual representations, such as drawings, cartoons, or paintings that appear to depict minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct"

    Some states explicitly prohibit cartoon pornography

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    lol they're not arguing against because it's a pointless measure

    you're confusing picking your fights with being supportive

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    If children sex dolls are readily available it risks normalizing the concept of sex with children. Both for potential pedophiles as well as children who browse shein, might get the impression that adults having sex with children is a thing.

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  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    It absolutely has a point, the point being manufacturing and selling sex toys that look like children is absolutely disgusting.

    And picking your battles doesn't typically mean arguing against the law being passed on the Internet.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    is absolutely disgusting

    Why not ban scat fetish then as well?

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Scat fetish typically involves grown adults.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    Having sex with a doll also only involves grown adults.

    You justified the ban with it being disgusting so I repeat the question: Why not ban scat fetish then as well?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Adults doing weird things with other adults is fine with me.

    Adults having sex with something intended to represent a child? Hell no. Selling these things is the thin end of the wedge in my view.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Adult men having sex with adult women is fine with me.

    Adult men having sex with another men? Hell no. Engaging in that is the thin end of the wedge in my view.

    Why is this not a valid reason to ban homosexuality but it's good enough to ban sex dolls?

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    I have far better things to do with my time than explain why depicting sex with children is a bad thing to a stranger on the Internet.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    You seem to have plenty of time for moral grandstanding, but the second someone asks you to make a coherent argument, time's suddenly up.

    "Disgusting, you're probably a pedophile, I don't care that there's no victim, it's obvious so I don't need to explain it" has been your entire contribution so far. If you don't care about trying to change anyone's mind, then I don't know what you're even doing here besides just making noise.

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  • [+] -28 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    It will solve it being normalized. And F-off to the pedophile apologist bots rising in these threads saying it doesn't so far that it's been brought up.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    It'll never be normalized because it's fucking weird, whether that's legal or not. And you can stop calling anyone with a different opinion a bot, it makes you sound like one.

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  • [+] -7 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    It’s not weird. Its not normalizing a kink. It’s violence. It’s raping minors. Stop downplaying it. And yes, there are bots. And I frankly do not give a shit what you think of me for pointing it out. I think I’ll continue to live a perfectly happy life without your approval over à fucking comment that triggered you online into the worst hill to get distracted by and go after during a discussion about normalizing raping minors. It doesn’t compare to the disappointment I have for you. I’m sure we will both live but at least I’ll sleep better knowing my dispppintment was a bit more high value energy than ‘dur, don’t insults the bots’ shit you’re here wasting time and energy doing.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Are bad dragon sex toys normalizing bestiality?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, before long there will be people basing their entire identity on wanting to be fucked by drago.... Oh wait

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  • [+] -7 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Comparing raping minors as kink play and think that’s how you validate pedophiles, you’re the fucking problem.

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  • [+] -6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    rape of minors is not kink play. You will never ever convince me otherwise. Youre manipulation tactics are sad. Go Rotate and be angry about it forever.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago*

    No manipulation tactics from me, just a valid equivalence of unusual sex toys

    Besides, it's clear you're the rotating angry bean here, buddy. I mean, look at how much time you're spending going feral on every comment in this thread, calling everyone who's not throwing angry "YOURE PEDO" comments a pedophile bot.

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