The people that are open to exploration and travel are generally not the ones opposed to progressive city planning.
The fear-based mindset opposed to change at any cost is not exactly conducive to exploring other cultures.
I'm the other way around - I took one trip to the Netherlands and didn't expect to come back forever changed. I know what good public transit looks like now and can't unsee it. Since then I've picked apartments based on how bicycle and metro connected they are.
Same. My girlfriend used to be a car enthusiast and ever since I took here there she's gone full !fuckcars.
Yeees... yees... all is going according to plan
Not even close to being untrue. I've listened to a lot of conservatives being anti-sidewalks growing up, complaining how sidewalks aided criminals.
I've listened to a lot of conservatives being anti-sidewalks growing up, complaining how sidewalks aided criminals.
I'm sorry, I'm not pretending to be stupid to challenge you, or challenging the notion at all, but could you please elaborate on what that "logic" is?
I just don't see a correlation honestly. Unless it's the same as like "universal healthcare helps criminals" in the sense that yeah, it's universal, it's also for criminals, but eveyone is helped by it, so... I... I fail how they could've even began to argue such a point.
But I know lots of conservatives are irrational dumbfucks who don't actually even understand what "logic" means.
Dense population attracts crime, dense population allows for more walking and cycling infrastructure. The coincidence of those two facts makes people think that walking and cycling infrastructure causes an increase in crime. Those people are confusing correlation and causation
I literally have a father in law that bitches about a new public transit bus line being put into his suburb to get to the metro. Americans will bitch about anything. I have to hear about it all the time.
My hypothesis is people are easily frightened idiots. They don't like change of any sort. It frightens them and then they can't reason about if the change is good or bad long term.
If a place had bike lanes for years the same people who bike-lash would probably oppose removing them.
lol. Those Americans have never left the country and don’t have a passport.
Sadly no, nothing more disappointing being 10,000 miles away and being told "hey we are from america too, go trump" 🤮
Lots of Americans get passports and leave the country, it's just too expensive for most Americans to do it.
Republicans are typically the people against good public transportation or bike lanes on roads. Republicans tend to be the people who don't travel outside the United States. Democrats tend to be in favor of these things and they are also the people who would be riding a bike around on vacation.
Imagine your typical red-neck conservative going to Europe on vacation. Hard to do? Now imagine them going on a bike tour. It's fucking ridiculous.
I see plenty of American conservative-looking tourists in Amsterdam, on bike tours too.
Not rednecks, but the kind of suburban chuds you see on TV holding up anti-abortion signs and driving squeaky-clean SUVs.
I've been to cities with nice public transit and clean streets.
I still don't like cities.
But I appreciate that if we make cities nicer and more convenient more people would choose them and they'd stop tearing up wild places.
I will not live in your cities. But I know why they must exist.
Unless you're making your own soap etc, you're still living in a society which wouldn't function without said cities. So live in them or no, you're still dependant on them.
Don't remind me.
I mean, you could just learn to make your own soap?
It's not that hard, just a bit labour intensive at times. But if you actually hunted game you might actually have the ingredients as extra. And you could easily still have it be nice soap, by also having a garden and making simple extracts from plants like jasmine and whatnot for scents.
I'm kinda jealous about some American "homesteaders" at times, because America is just way better for that, geographically and bureaucratically than Finland. Not that I could afford it anyway but... A man can dream.
We also have some pretty nice homesteaders in Danmark if you want to find som nearby to see.
It's telling that Americans think walkable neighborhoods are vacation destinations and not real places. They literally go to a place called "the magic kingdom" to walk around and enjoy but think it's at best a quaint ancient /medieval throwback or a fantasy land
Don't forget the not actually public transit! Back when I worked at Disney and went to the parks with friends on my day off, we'd decide which park we'd end at, park there at the start of the day, and just take buses or the monorail to go between parks.
I doubt many Americans vacationing in Europe are opposed to walkable cities.
Then you've never met an American.
How can you feel guilty for pollution if you don't believe in pollution? Checkmate libtards. Now excuse me, I have a plane to catch, going to the grocery store, both trucks are at the garage.
Dw, the boys at the yard were just on a test drive, and are already on the way back with your truck.
Fake. Those kinda people would never ride a bike. Instead, they would be stuck somewhere with their oversized car and would complain why they can't drive theough the inner city and do sightseeing from the inside of their car lol.
It doesn’t really help that Americans can’t ride a bicycle for shit. Tourists on bikes are a major hazard, but so are tourists on foot in any city with dedicated space for bicycles. They just cross it and walk on it without watching or even a single thought. They just assume it’s part of the pavement.
God how i wish we could have that.
Shit started to go wrong as far back as the 50s most places, perhaps earlier in the US. Light rail, tram networks were ripped up all over the world in favour of private motor vehicles and US style real estate development with their car centric dead burbs and no local life.
Once you go all in on car centric planning it is difficult to go back. Housing development is a long way from quality entertainment, shopping, food, culture, work so people need to travel long distances but everything is so distributed and low density that its hostile to public transport networks.
Americans are correct. You can't simply swap to bikes and public transport on top of 70+ years of insane urban planning. Some older inner cities and very small towns can be fixed. The rest is a problem.
Hey we have one of these in Venice California ❤️
No, a car would
A place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let's explore the bad world of Cars!
1. Be Civil
You may not agree on ideas, but please do not be needlessly rude or insulting to other people in this community.
2. No hate speech
Don't discriminate or disparage people on the basis of sex, gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, or sexuality.
3. Don't harass people
Don't follow people you disagree with into multiple threads or into PMs to insult, disparage, or otherwise attack them. And certainly don't doxx any non-public figures.
4. Stay on topic
This community is about cars, their externalities in society, car-dependency, and solutions to these.
5. No reposts
Do not repost content that has already been posted in this community.
Moderator discretion will be used to judge reports with regard to the above rules.
In the absence of a flair system on lemmy yet, let’s try to make it easier to scan through posts by type in here by using tags:
