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[–] 240 points 6 months ago* (26 children)

When the Digg beta launched, we immediately noticed posts from SEO spammers noting that Digg still carried meaningful Google link authority. Within hours, we got a taste of what we'd only heard rumors about. The internet is now populated, in meaningful part, by sophisticated AI agents and automated accounts. We knew bots were part of the landscape, but we didn't appreciate the scale, sophistication, or speed at which they'd find us. We banned tens of thousands of accounts. We deployed internal tooling and industry-standard external vendors. None of it was enough.

I love how the SEO industry pretends they’re anything but a caustic cancer leeching off literally everything.

“Oh, but discoverability of small business!” Yeah… I’d punch you if I saw you, SEO jerks. The Futurama movie was right.

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    SEO is like CGI. What you don't like is bad CGI. What you don't notice is good CGI.

    There's many abuses of SEO and many ways it's used quite badly. What you don't notice is when it's done very well. It's one reason that these days, a large part of the time the thing you search for is on the first page of results. If you know how to search well, SEO helps you find the things you're searching for.

    I know people will disagree and probably ridicule, but i'm not talking out my ass. I've been on the internet since 1994, and I remember a time when finding things involved sometimes scouring mange many pages of search results. SEO is one reason that's less common. And I will say that search did indeed reach a peak and has come down a bit from there thanks to AI bullshit and things like Google's bullshit about returning ads and prioritizing revenue over usefulness. But it's still better with SEO than it was without.

    Add that to the fact that best practices for SEO has of course changed over the years in ways that have also gotten better for end users in finding content.

    And this is again not a full defense of SEO at all. There are many MANY bad actors out there trying to abuse SEO. But, again, that's the bad SEO that you notice, not the good SEO that you do not notice. So THAT part of the "SEO industry" is absolutely caustic cancer, sure.

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  • [–] 65 points 6 months ago*

    SEO is one reason that's less common.

    No it isn't. SEO is about gaming the search engines to place their data ahead of everything whether relevant or not.

    Yahoo was fantastic in it's time because it was human curated. No SEO could bullshit a person reading the page and categorizing it.

    Google was fantastic at the start because SEO couldn't game the system. Google was famous in the early days for maintaining quality by keeping their algorithms secret and constantly changing so that SEO couldn't break their search.

    I'm speaking as someone who was first on the Internet in the 80's.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    No, you've got a point... Actually you're right. To an extent.

    I should have qualified my post.

    But I'd argue the "bad" part of SEO is just too tempting. It's clearly winning out, across the entire internet, unless you can look at me with a straight face and say "Google search is fine." Or that discoverability of genuine services is fine. It's definitely not; it's a miracle any legitimate business is surviving from web search anymore, amongts the sea of attention scams and corporate behemoths.

    In other words, the I feel like the "honeymoon" where we could trust SEO to happen ethically is now behind us.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    Fuck that, bring back boolean operators!!!

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    The majority of "new users" was bots twenty years ago. How was this news to these chuckleheads?

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  • [+] 110 points 6 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
    [–] 63 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    Nah it sucked. I was on it. It was just lemmy but with less features and with less content. It was dead the moment it started because it did nothing.

    I don't understand how they even think it could succeed.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Right, but isn't Lemmy itself a bit of a "less features" version of Reddit? I'm not here for features, I'm here to get away from toxic Reddit mods because fuck spez.

    I'll admit, I might have taken the bet that "reddit but not reddit" would hold at least some interest.

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  • [–] 46 points 6 months ago (28 children)

    People are naive to think there aren’t also thousands of bots here in the Fediverse.

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  • [–] 66 points 6 months ago (17 children)

    The only thing keeping the bot population low here is that there just aren't enough people here to be worth it yet. If the Fediverse grows they'll come in greater numbers.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    The Fediverse has a lot more safeguards in place, in particular the ability to require a message to register an account, such as my instance requires, weeds out 99% of bots.

    We can also defederate from instances that become overwhelmed from bots if they have lax sign-up requirements (already happened a few times), which vastly limits their ability to take hold.

    The bigger problem for us, I think, is the fight against bot scrapers. Anubis is keeping them at bay for now, but it will likely be an ongoing cat and mouse game until the AI bubble bursts.

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    [–] 42 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    I tried using it and was kinda hopeful, but NSFW was against their TOS which is a no go.

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    [–] 37 points 6 months ago (19 children)

    Their tolerance of racism and bigotry was why I left

    It seemed like every shitty person wanted to make it a far-right safe place

    I'm glad it failed

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    [–] 33 points 6 months ago (17 children)

    That reminds me, 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0.

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    [–] 23 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Wasn't AI part of their "selling" point?

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    If it was, it was a bad stratagy.

    AI is the only industry that is somehow nonprofitable, without customers, and yet also propping up the economy right now.

    Just waiting for this stupid bubble to pop

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    [–] 22 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    blaming? shouldnt they have celebrated how much people utilize their beloved slopmachines?

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    [–] 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Honestly, the first rebirth as a run-of-the-mill article aggregator was better. A lot of it I'd have already seen elsewhere, but occasionally it'd have something interesting that I missed.

    Whatever they do, they'll still be riding the name of a very dead horse.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    There were entire communities popping up dedicated to SEO and advertising. A lot of the spam would happen during the US night time, so they’d have to wake up every morning to sweeping away all the crap. Really curious on how they intend to handle the bots.

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    [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    well duh, reddit/X/Insta, MEta,,etc is infested by AI BOT/bot spammers for a while to spread propaganda or do things like promote links of OF, or other businesses. thats the other reason why they are very ban heavy as of late. diggs or any other platform would suffer the same fate.

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    [+] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
    [–] 10 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Man. I liked Digg. Not as much as Lemmy, but I liked it.

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    [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    These things need to grow from grassroots.

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