Yeah that checks out. My Gen z girlfriend has said as much. She's into women and "men who are at least old enough to remember 9/11 clearly."
The Gen Z men she has dated were "rude, cruel, and more interested in controlling me(her)."
That's almost a litmus test for the Millennial/Gen Z border (for the US at least). Usually remembering 9/11 means you're more on the Millennial side. Though generations are fuzzy and ill-defined.
If you think one gender needs to be subservient to another you’re either an evil person, a stupid person, or both.
I am slowly discarding my differentiations between stupid and evil, there's a different, mysterious third thing that combines both but exists on its own. And whatever this thing is, it's raging through our population like fire through dry brush.
it's called having a belief.
even if that person is a woman who thinks it's natural/normal to be subservient to a dominate man, and calls herself a feminist/progressive/liberal/independent woman?
that opinion involves other women. they can make what ever choices about themselves but the belief that others are to be subservient is evil.
Republican?
They’re both evil and stupid.
Most of those people tend to believe such things because of their religion.... Which they think is good, wise or both.
So then they fall under the “stupid” category if they actually believe and live their lives according to unprovable mythology and “evil” if they don’t actually believe and just use the religion as an excuse to oppress others.
I don't understand this. I'm married. My wife is the coolest person I know. I wouldn't dare try to control her. She is too much fun.
It's pretty simple.
When life has no clearly defined gender roles, people will seek them out, and men and women both, are reverting back to 1950s expecations where gender roles were clearly defined.
I'm a single guy in my early 40s. The past 5 years on the dating market, most women I meet now want 1950s gender roles. These are often educated, liberal, successful women. But they have this fantasy that they will only be happy if they find a man who pays all the bills and bosses them around, and all think Don Draper is a 'real man'. The idea of a partnership where you say split costs and responsibilities, is totally rejected as by them and they see it as surefire path to misery. They see their role in a relationship as to quit their career and be a homemaker/mother, and my job is to work 60-80 hours a week to earn a massive salary and pay for everything.
And when they find out that as a man, I enjyo cooking, cleaning, keeping my house etc, they get really pissed off because they see me as 'not needing a woman in my life'. No... shit. I dont' 'need' a woman. I want a partner to split chores and bills with and raise kids together with.
I think it's weird too. Every couple I know has a partnership model, but the single women on the dating market who want that... are very rare. But 10 years ago, it was quite common and I met women who were looking for this.
That's because you're a terrible husband.
It's disgusting how proud you are about the sick gratification you get from forcing that poor women to use her tiny little lady brain for your own personal amusement.
Report to 4chan before it's too late! They'll help you set you straight. Make sure you have nudes handy as payment for their services.
And they were confused when women choose the bear
Bears are less unpredictable. Also the woods are a context you expect to find a bear in so it's not out of the norm. All that combined with years and years of true crime stuff makes the answer to that question pretty predictable, regardless of the gender.
I have not actually read the primary source for this though, only encountered it on social media so maybe they asked men the same question and they chose another person? I should probably look it up.
I'm a man and I also choose the bear. I frequently go backpacking and would absolutely prefer to come across a bear in the woods rather than a random man.
Does despising my gender make me realistic or does it make me a misandrist? Maybe it's both. Maybe being a misandrist and being a realist are the same fucking thing.
Hopefully it's a black bear, though.
People of both genders in Indonesia (66%) and Malaysia (60%) were most likely to agree with the statement, compared with 23% in the US and 13% in Great Britain.
As a Malaysian, i'll let you guess the reason.
It’s a country full of manosphere fans. Also religion.
We Asian are generally patriarchy and misogyny is rather common, but religion supercharge it to extreme level. You can tune in to popular malay radio station and they will bring on woman preacher that basically say woman should obey husband and do their role, and the woman host will agree to them. Self oppression is really common because they were taught that since as a kid. We're that deep.
Allah and his only prophet Mohammed?
You know Jesus is a prophet to Muslims right?
The confusion is language.
In the Quran, he's called Isa and is mentioned over 30 times.
Same way Allah refers to the same God Judaism calls Yahweh and Christians aren't supposed to say aloud because they treat God like Voldemort.
The Shahada explicitly mentions that Mohammed is the 'final' messenger of God. Also called "Khatam an-Nabiyyin,” usually translated as “Seal of the Prophets.” That phrase comes from the Quran (33:40.) Muslims interpret it to mean he is the last prophet in a long line of prophets.
Muslims often consider what Mohammed said to be the end of the conversation, contrary to numerous prophets that came before him.
So if there's 'one' prophet to 'go to', under Islam, Mohammed is the alpha prophet.
Some Muslims don't even believe Jesus was crucified. Some think there was a substitution.
The abrahamic religions are so dynamic yet the ego(d)centricity remains. You move from a dumb God that gets fooled by Satan chapter after chapter. Getting God to torture his most devout worshippers. Fun.
Then you get Jesus! Praise Jesus! Love each other. The hippy socialist. Flipping tables and feeding the hungry, healing the sick, visiting prisoners, and he even raised the dead occasionally. Truly God in the flesh.
Then you get Allah. A transcendental god. A thing that's best described not by what it is, but by what it is not.
Then how they go from no after life, aka sheol. To heaven and hell (many mansions, weeping gnashing of teeth). Then you get paradise with 72 virgins, so kind of like Mormonism. Oh wait? You don't get your own planet and godhood itself? SMH. noob.
Serious.
How exactly does that work? I'm pretty ignorant of most religions.
I know the Koran came after the Bible and that Moses and Jesus are considered holy. Is Muhammed the ultimate prophet? Can other prophets come later and add to the Koran?
And the (Cristian) Bible came after the Talmud, which came after the Tamakh, which came after the Torah, and so on and so on...
Most religions borrow heavily from the ones that came before. Noah's flood echoes the story of the flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Islam actually takes an interesting approach to other religious figures. They don't necessarily deny them, they more absorb them. If someone was truly holy, the must have been a prophet. In the Quran, many figures from the Jewish and Christian bibles are called out as prophets.
It's more of an academic point than anything that has actual effect on day to day religious activity.
That's... not a belief in Islam.
A buddy got married years ago at his wife's church, which meant part of the ceremony was the priest asking her to vow to always obey him and do whatever he asked without question.
Like, it wasn't just a part of the vows he rambled thru, it was its own separate thing and she had to respond "yes" or the priest wouldnt have married them.
Super fucking weird and everyone under 60 laughed.
Neither of them took it seriously, but she wanted married in her church, and her pledging total and lifelong obedience was a requirement the church insisted on.
Lots of people do take it seriously though
“Babe. Babe. You vowed. You vowed, ok? You HAVE to watch the MarioKart speedrun with me.”
Anytime he can't do shit with us, someone is guaranteed to say:
She promised...
I don't think it's ever worked tho
I mean, she's willing to obey some priest for no reason so why wouldn't she obey her husband?
TLDR news did a video on this a few months ago. Globally men are going hard right and women are going hard left.
It’s not quite as bad as that: women are turning left more than men are turning right. A few young men are getting fully into fascism/neoreactionary ideology, though many more are just bumbling around muttering “I don’t agree with everything Joe Rogan says but he is funny”. Meanwhile, young women are in the woods looking for a nice bear.
In my experience, women are politically left. But domestically they are conservative.
Most of the progressive feminist types I try to date... all want 1950s gender roles in a relationship. And constantly complain that men are 'manly' enough in the sense of wanting to dominating others, themselves included. They think that me asking them what restaurants they like, is 'feminine'. To me it's just basic human communication.
Something like 50%+ of dating profiles in my city all make references to 1950s gender shit. And they list their politics as liberal or moderate. They want like 1950s style dating too and see the TV show Mad Men as some sort of model of how they want their lives to be, rather than realizing it is a tragedy.
This book came out decades ago and pretty much predicted everything.
"Future Shock" by Alvin Toffler. His premise was that the coming Digital Age would divide the world into the people who were going to embrace the changes and the people who couldn't/wouldn't give up on the Industrial Age.
Here is the article from Kings College with a link to the full results:
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/almost-a-third-of-gen-z-men-agree-a-wife-should-obey-her-husband
I do believe that some countries are skewing the results, but the ratios across the board are worrying.
Though this could be due to the phrasing of questions. “Do you define yourself as a feminist?” Is a question that by its very nature is going to skew towards a negative result. I personally hold very strong feminist values and promote them openly, but would still struggle to agree that I ‘define’ myself as feminist.
feminist has no clear definition anymore. it's an empty term with little agreement on what it stands for.
feminist in the 70s, and first wave stuff, was clearly defined. feminism in 2020s could be really anything. They are feminists who think 1950s gender roles are 'liberation'. And lots of conservative women think they are feminists now when they argue that a woman's role is to be a homemaker and mother and having a career is wrong/bad.
Feminist is such a loaded term too, after decades of vilification by right wing media. My mother would happily say “oh yes, of course I support equal rights for women, but I don’t think I’d call myself a feminist.” (Now, whether what she believes is equal rights is actually equal rights is a different question.)
I have so many problems with poll questions. A question that expects a yes/no answer is never going to produce useful results, because the correct answer is "it's more complicated than that".
The kids aren't alright.
Good luck getting married, LOL
Hmm it's a global survey, I would like to see the data split per country. They mentioned countries like Indonesia that have very high percentages.
Thanks Zuck
This would be very worrisome if their generation was expected to enjoy a full lifespan and survive an increasingly grim and dystopian future...
If all religious people just offed themselves and went to heaven it would solve a lot of problems in the world.
Ergh sadly Christianity at the very least has that as an unforgivable sin. Maybe they could all agree to off each other, repenting just before they get offed themselves, and then the Pope can shoot the last one and himself because surely he gets into heaven no matter what horrific shit he gets up to.
Gen Z women thrice as likely as boomers to chase husbands with rolling pins
Hey,, we gave rise to women's lib, remember?
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