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[–] 226 points 6 months ago (8 children)

If you think one gender needs to be subservient to another you’re either an evil person, a stupid person, or both.

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  • [+] 44 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (20 children)
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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Most of those people tend to believe such things because of their religion.... Which they think is good, wise or both.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago

    So then they fall under the “stupid” category if they actually believe and live their lives according to unprovable mythology and “evil” if they don’t actually believe and just use the religion as an excuse to oppress others.

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    [–] 138 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    The survey the article is based on is not of good quality (I'm being polite)... People without a proper degree in statistics should not be allowed to get anywhere near numbers... Here the [link] of the PDF: (https://www.kcl.ac.uk/assets/news/iwd-2026-global-charts-final.pdf)

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Even with those numbers, it's still frustrating.

    You can see in the data that the country dominates attitude. Using only the global averages against the generational buckets isn't very useful. I want to see the generational breakdown BY COUNTRY.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    yes, but the global trend across countries is clear. economic stagnation, lower mobility, a lack of resources and opportunities available.

    So people look back to the past and have nostalgia for it for the mid 20th century when those things were abundant, and along with it they look back at strict gender roles and the idea that men should work and women should be home makers.

    It's a fact that in societies with high wealth disparities and a lack of mobility gender and social roles tend to be more rigid, whereas in societies with more equality they are more flexible. Which is largely a product of people seeking economic security first and foremost, and gender freedom only after they have it.

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    [–] 98 points 6 months ago (26 children)

    People of both genders in Indonesia (66%) and Malaysia (60%) were most likely to agree with the statement, compared with 23% in the US and 13% in Great Britain.

    As a Malaysian, i'll let you guess the reason.

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  • [–] 57 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It’s a country full of manosphere fans. Also religion.

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  • [–] 55 points 6 months ago

    We Asian are generally patriarchy and misogyny is rather common, but religion supercharge it to extreme level. You can tune in to popular malay radio station and they will bring on woman preacher that basically say woman should obey husband and do their role, and the woman host will agree to them. Self oppression is really common because they were taught that since as a kid. We're that deep.

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    [–] 76 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    And they were confused when women choose the bear

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    I'm a man and I also choose the bear. I frequently go backpacking and would absolutely prefer to come across a bear in the woods rather than a random man.

    Does despising my gender make me realistic or does it make me a misandrist? Maybe it's both. Maybe being a misandrist and being a realist are the same fucking thing.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    Bears are less unpredictable. Also the woods are a context you expect to find a bear in so it's not out of the norm. All that combined with years and years of true crime stuff makes the answer to that question pretty predictable, regardless of the gender.

    I have not actually read the primary source for this though, only encountered it on social media so maybe they asked men the same question and they chose another person? I should probably look it up.

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    [–] 52 points 6 months ago

    People of both genders in Indonesia (66%) and Malaysia (60%) were most likely to agree with the statement, compared with 23% in the US and 13% in Great Britain.

    So I question how much of this actually takes into account massive cultural differences and how that can skew the results since this is apparently a global survey.

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  • [–] 47 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    A buddy got married years ago at his wife's church, which meant part of the ceremony was the priest asking her to vow to always obey him and do whatever he asked without question.

    Like, it wasn't just a part of the vows he rambled thru, it was its own separate thing and she had to respond "yes" or the priest wouldnt have married them.

    Super fucking weird and everyone under 60 laughed.

    Neither of them took it seriously, but she wanted married in her church, and her pledging total and lifelong obedience was a requirement the church insisted on.

    Lots of people do take it seriously though

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    [–] 47 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    People of both genders in Indonesia (66%) and Malaysia (60%) were most likely to agree with the statement, compared with 23% in the US and 13% in Great Britain.

    How do you act surprised with this is beyond me.

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    [–] 43 points 6 months ago

    This is bait the guardian has been really shitty. I might just block them like fox news

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    Yeah that checks out. My Gen z girlfriend has said as much. She's into women and "men who are at least old enough to remember 9/11 clearly."

    The Gen Z men she has dated were "rude, cruel, and more interested in controlling me(her)."

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    [–] 32 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I don't understand this. I'm married. My wife is the coolest person I know. I wouldn't dare try to control her. She is too much fun.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

    It's pretty simple.

    When life has no clearly defined gender roles, people will seek them out, and men and women both, are reverting back to 1950s expecations where gender roles were clearly defined.

    I'm a single guy in my early 40s. The past 5 years on the dating market, most women I meet now want 1950s gender roles. These are often educated, liberal, successful women. But they have this fantasy that they will only be happy if they find a man who pays all the bills and bosses them around, and all think Don Draper is a 'real man'. The idea of a partnership where you say split costs and responsibilities, is totally rejected as by them and they see it as surefire path to misery (because they are already paying their own bills and they are miserable doing so). They see their role in a relationship as to quit their career and be a homemaker/mother, and my job is to work 60-80 hours a week to earn a massive salary and pay for everything. It's fantasy-escapism and they'd rather 'hold out' for this fantasy to escape their life... than try to actually be in a partnership where their daily responsibilities don't go away...

    And when they find out that as a man, I enjoy cooking, cleaning, keeping my house etc, they get really pissed off because they see me as 'not needing a woman in my life'. No... shit. I don't 'need' a woman. I want a partner to split chores and bills with and raise kids together with. I have no interest in working 80 hours a week to 'provide' and never seeing my wife/kids.

    I think it's weird too. Every couple I know has a partnership model, but the single women on the dating market who want that... are very rare. But 10 years ago, it was quite common and I met women who were looking for this, but the world has changed and people now are adopting these extremist beliefs as a coping mechanism for their unhappiness with their lives. The irony being I bet if these people got their 1950s relationships... they find out that makes them miserable too.

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    [–] 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    TLDR news did a video on this a few months ago. Globally men are going hard right and women are going hard left.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It’s not quite as bad as that: women are turning left more than men are turning right. A few young men are getting fully into fascism/neoreactionary ideology, though many more are just bumbling around muttering “I don’t agree with everything Joe Rogan says but he is funny”. Meanwhile, young women are in the woods looking for a nice bear.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    This book came out decades ago and pretty much predicted everything.

    "Future Shock" by Alvin Toffler. His premise was that the coming Digital Age would divide the world into the people who were going to embrace the changes and the people who couldn't/wouldn't give up on the Industrial Age.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago

    Hmm it's a global survey, I would like to see the data split per country. They mentioned countries like Indonesia that have very high percentages.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Here is the article from Kings College with a link to the full results:

    https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/almost-a-third-of-gen-z-men-agree-a-wife-should-obey-her-husband

    I do believe that some countries are skewing the results, but the ratios across the board are worrying.

    Though this could be due to the phrasing of questions. “Do you define yourself as a feminist?” Is a question that by its very nature is going to skew towards a negative result. I personally hold very strong feminist values and promote them openly, but would still struggle to agree that I ‘define’ myself as feminist.

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    [+] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
    [–] 15 points 6 months ago

    The kids aren't alright.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    Thanks Zuck

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    They're too young to have been married, where their wife will disabuse them of this concept very quickly.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    Good luck getting married, LOL

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