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[–] 243 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

Before hitting submit I'd worry I've made a silly mistake which would make me look a fool and waste their time.

Do they think the AI written code Just Works (TM)? Do they feel so detached from that code that they don't feel embarrassment when it's shit? It's like calling yourself a fictional story writer and writing "written by (your name)" on the cover when you didn't write it, and it's nonsense.

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  • [–] 175 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'd worry I've made a silly mistake which would make me look a fool and waste their time.

    AI bros have zero self awareness and shame, which is why I continue to encourage that the best tool for fighting against it is making it socially shameful.

    Somebody comes along saying "Oh look at the image is just genera..." and you cut them with "looks like absolute garbage right? Yeah, I know, AI always sucks, imagine seriously enjoying that hahah, so anyway, what were you saying?"

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  • [–] 116 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    LLM code generation is the ultimate dunning Kruger enhancer. They think they're 10x ninja wizards because they can generate unmaintainable demos.

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  • [–] 63 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    They’re not going to maintain it - they’ll just throw it back to the LLM and say “enhance”.

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  • [–] 30 points 6 months ago

    Sigh, now in CSI when they enhance a grainy image they AI will make a fake face and send them searching for someone that doesn't exist, or it'll use a face of someone in the training set and they go after the wrong person.

    Either way I have a feeling they'll he some ENHANCE failure episode due to AI.

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  • [–] 80 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    From what I have seen Anthropic, OpenAI, etc. seem to be running bots that are going around and submitting updates to open source repos with little to no human input.

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    [–] 174 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Damn, Godot too? I know Curl had to discontinue their bug bounties over the absolutely tidal volume of AI slop reports… Open source wasn’t ever perfect, but whatever cracks in there were are being blown a mile wide by these goddamn slop factories.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago

    Open source wasn’t ever perfect, but whatever cracks in there were are being blown a mile wide by these goddamn slop factories.

    This is the perpetual issue, not just with AI: Any system will have flaws and weaknesses, but often, they can generally be papered over with some good will and patience...

    Until selfish, immoral assholes come and ruin it for everyone.

    From teenagers using the playground to smoke and bury their cigs in the sand, so now parents with small children can't use it any more, over companies exploiting legal loopholes to AI slop drowning volunteers in obnoxious bullshit: Most individual people might be decent, but a single turd is all it takes to ruin the punch bowl.

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    [–] 105 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I think moving off of GitHub to their own forge would be a good first step to reduce this spam.

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    Codeberg is cool but I would prefer not having all FOSS project centralised on another platform. In my opinion projects of the size of Godot should consider using their own infrastructure.

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  • [–] 94 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It's everywhere. I was just trying to find some information on starting seeds for the garden this year and I was met with AI article after AI article just making shit up. One even had a "picture" of someone planting some seeds and their hand was merged into the ceramic flower pot.

    The AI fire hose is destroying the internet.

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  • [+] 93 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children)
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    [–] 85 points 6 months ago

    This was honestly my biggest fear for a lot of FOSS applications.

    Not necessarily in a malicious way (although there's certainly that happening as well). I think there's a lot of users who want to contribute, but don't know how to code, and suddenly think...hey...this is great! I can help out now!

    Well meaning slop is still slop.

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  • [–] 85 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    This is big tech trying to kill FOSS.

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    [–] 68 points 6 months ago

    Look. I have no problems if you want to use AI to make shit code for your own bullshit. Have at it.

    Don't submit that shit to open Source projects.

    You want to use it? Use it for your own shit. The rest of us didn't ask for this. I'm really hoping the AI bubble bursts in a big way very soon. Microsoft is going to need a bail out, openai is fucking doomed, and z/Twitter/grok could go either way honestly.

    Who in their right fucking mind looks at the costs of running an AI datacenter, and the fact that it's more economically feasible to buy a fucking nuclear power plant to run it all, and then say, yea, this is reasonable.

    The C-whatever-O's are all taking crazy pills.

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  • [–] 55 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Get that code off of slophub and move it to Codeberg.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Is codeberg magically immune to AI slop pull requests?

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  • [–] 39 points 6 months ago

    No but they are actively not promoting it or encouraging it. Github and MS are. If you're going to keep staying on the pro-AI site, you're going to eat the consequences of that. Github are actively encouraging these submissions with profile badges and other obnoxious crap. Its not an appropriate env for development anymore. Its gamified AI crap.

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  • [–] 53 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    AI crowd trying hard to find uses for AI

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  • [–] 33 points 6 months ago*

    I think the open slop situation is also in part people who just want a feature and genuinely think they’re helping. People who can’t do the task themselves also can’t tell that the LLM also can’t do it.

    But a lot of them are probably just padding their GitHub account too. Any given popular project has tons of forks by people who just want to have lots of repositories on their GitHub but don’t actually make changes because they can’t actually do it. I used to maintain my employer’s projects on GitHub and literally we’d have something like 3000 forks and 2990 of them would just be forks with no changes by people with lots of repositories but no actual work. Now these people are using LLMs to also make changes…

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    [–] 52 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    So I guess it is time to switch to a different style of FOSS development ?

    The cathedral style, which is utilized by Fossil, basically in order to contribute you'll have to be manually included into the group. It's a high-trust environment where devs know each other on a 1st-name basis.

    Oh BTW, Fossil is a fully-fledged alternative to Git & Github. It has:

    • Version-Tracking
    • Webserver
    • Bug-tracker
    • Ticketting-system
    • Wiki
    • Forum
    • Chat
    • And a Graphical User-Interface which you can theme

    All in One binary

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    [–] 51 points 6 months ago

    Godot is also weighing the possibility of moving the project to another platform where there might be less incentive for users to "farm" legitimacy as a software developer with AI-generated code contributions.

    Aahhh, I see the issue know.

    That’s the incentive to just skirt the rules of whatever their submission policy is.

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Why people try to contribute even if they don't work on their codes? Ai slop not helping at all.

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  • [–] 37 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Couldn’t you just set up actual AI/LLM verification questions, like “how many r’s in strawberry?”

    Or even just have an AI / Manual contribution divide. Wouldn’t stop everything 100% but might help the clean-up process better

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  • [–] 93 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Those kind of challenges only work for a short while. Chatgpt has solved the strawberry one already.

    That said, I wish these AI people would just create their own projects and contribute to them. Create a LLM fork of the engine, and go nuts. If your AI is actually good, you'll end up with a better engine and become the dominant fork.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    There's a joke in science circles that goes something like this:

    "Do you know how they call alternative medicine that works? Just regular medicine."

    Good code made by LLM should be indistinguishable from code made by an human... It would simply be "just code".

    It's hard to create a project the size of Godot's and not have a human in the loop somewhere filtering the slop and trying to create a cohesive code base. At that poin they either would be overwhelmed again or the code would be unmaintainable.

    And then we would go full circle and get to the same point described by the article.

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    [–] 35 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I am a game developer and a web developer and I use AI sometimes just to make it write template code for me so that I can make the boilerplate faster. For the rest of the code, AI is soooo dumb it's basically impossible to make something that works!

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    [–] 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    just deny PRs that are obvious bots and ban them from ever contributing.

    even better if you're running your own git instance and can outright ban IP ranges of known AI shitlords.

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    [–] 25 points 6 months ago

    A similar problem is happening in submissions to science journals.

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