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[–] 47 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (31 children)

Even amazing writers and musicians can barely scrape a living. Being an artist is mostly unpaid labor that enriches Irish culture. Why wouldn’t we incentivize artists for some pitiful sum of money if they’re willing?

No matter how much capitalists pretend that artistic talent falls from the sky like mana for the rest of us to enjoy, it isn’t actually free. It takes thousands of hours of effort to become something resembling an artist. And this program is a cheap way to make that happen.

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    [–] 47 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Good news, thank the heavens.

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    [+] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)
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    [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    Amazing, I love it. Good job Ireland!

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (19 children)

    "Fuck my life!", said factory workers throughout the land.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Factory workers are eligible to become artists at any time. It was always allowed.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Art is a skill that takes time and dedication to cultivate, and often at least a seed of talent to boot.

    I can't just wake up one morning and say "I'm an artist now" anymore than I can wake up and say "I'm a doctor today."

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    That’s the point. People want to simultaneously pretend that art is the trivial pursuit of effete dilettantes but also that subsidizing art is unfair since it would take too much sacrifice and effort for any random person to become an artist.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I see. Yeah, that makes sense.

    I view arts and humanities as occupying the top of Maslow's hierarchy. A healthy arts and humanities scene is a sign that society is flourishing. Someone who can pursue those as careers instead of hobbies is self-actualized.

    I think public patronage of the arts and humanities is ultimately a good thing, and should happen in addition to all the other, more basic needs. Food, housing, and utilities should be prioritized, and the jobs that provide those things. Then healthcare, education, social work, public servants, parks & rec, etc.

    Arts and humanities shouldn't be neglected, but the fabric of society should be built from the ground up to support a healthy arts scene.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, plus we’ve achieved the economic conditions where everyone’s basic needs can be met. That they are not is a deliberate and vincible evil.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I agree. I think a good starting place would be assessing the cost of living by region or district, and then anyone who makes below that amount should receive a supplementary allowance (funded by the wealthy, of course. If they were paying people fairly then nobody would be making below the cost of living).

    Other things should be in the purview of public goods, of course. For countries that don't already have it, healthcare and education should be top priorities. They should be seen as investments in a healthy society, not as merely handouts to individuals.

    Eventually food should be produced and distributed by public (state-owned) entities, at-cost rather than for-profit. But that's a longer-term goal that needs careful planning and implementation, so pushing too hard for it too soon could derail progress on other priorities like healthcare, education, and guaranteed basic income.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    Or the disabled, or the just poor and untalented.

    Basic income is the darling of policy wonks of all kinds. But, doing it just for already-successful artists is a bit random.

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  • [+] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, but this specific policy, last I checked, is invite-only. That means it's the turtleneck guys, or more likely the Celtic fine art equivalent, not gig work graphic designers.

    Unless said graphic designer has an in with someone in charge of sending the invites, anyway. Which is another issue with doing it that way.

    (It's a good thing to point out in general, though)

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    That's honestly pretty neat, assuming these artists are more useful to society than my idiotic "artist" sister. I'm interested to see how it plays out over the long term, and what it could mean for other places considering a universal basic income.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Didn’t they already do this like a year ago? And the year before that?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    that's cool. UBI next!

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I'd love that in France...

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    So anyone who has been close to musicians is aware of how little they get for what they do and how much time they put in. Sometimes they’re lucky to get drinks for what they do.

    In the meantime, we have arseholes with at least enough money in their pockets to go out telling the door person ‘we’re with the band’, hitting bands up for entry or trying to get in the back entrance with them. For 10 or 15 entry fee.

    That’s just a perspective of someone who has been close to local level musicians and isn’t an artist themselves. I can imagine what other performing and producing artists have to put up with.

    Good on Ireland for this. I don’t think they’ll struggle screening it. Social payments underwrite artistic creativity because if artists have it, they can at least eat and live while they produce for the entertainment of others.

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