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Australians are driving bigger, heavier, dirtier cars and it's alarming both climate and road safety experts.

A decade ago, sedans and hatchbacks were the most popular cars in Australia. Today, Sports Utility Vehicles (SUVs) and American-style utes dominate new car sales and advertising.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A failure to properly regulate the import of yank tanks. Stop letter them in, simple.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How about we allow them in, but make them work in our interests through high taxes and other ownership requirements that more than offset the damage they do.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sound good. Maybe something like make them have an extra child to make up for the one the will inevitably run down? Lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, if it was simply environmental, then maybe there could be some sort of offset scheme introduced. However unlikely it would be to actually make it to 1:1.

But adding the extra, and unnecessary, road danger, yeah.. old mates weekend can go stick it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Can you please write all public policy for the country?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also disallow tax writeoffs on 'em

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The problem is the tax writeoffs are for businesses. You can't close that loophole unless the govt gets into the weeds of defining exactly what a "work truck" is. Those people who claim tax writeoffs on these yank tanks actually do use them for work or appear to. ~~Even if the use is just driving to work.~~

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A cautionary tale of what we don't want to become (and are on our way to becoming): These Stupid Trucks are Literally Killing Us

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

F = ma, or net force is equal to mass times acceleration. That's the physics driving adoption of land barges. Have to have lots of mass to avoid being subjected to deadly amounts of acceleration when the distracted, texting, makeup applying, breakfast juggling driver plows into you in their lifted F350.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Crashes are actually a shitload more complicated than that. Impulse is a big deal and then you have to factor in the meat geometry of a human and the specialness of various bits of meat.

Don't throw scientifish nonsense around. Just say big car scary make get big car.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Are we all just going the ignore the fact that the FCIA director's name is Peter Griffin?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Make a suitable alternative for the soccer mums. Most suvs never go outside the city these days

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's a symptom of the ride height war. When everyones giant arse car is blocking your view of oncoming traffic you either follow suit or literally risk death every time you pull out of your kids daycare.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We bought an electric recently. Was very upset to have to choose the Kona in order to fit 2 tall people and 2 big dogs. It's a great car but being realistic there's no need for it to be so big.

It seems like the styles now being sold are small hatchback, sedan, and everything else is SUV. Very disappointing to see there's not much middle ground lile the station wagon space or slightly larger hatchbacks. Especially with EVs. Most of my trips are like 40 km at most. I don't need 500 km range with a full car...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Station wagons are excellent, my 2003 holden has more cubic space than these 'I need it for the space' SUVs

What a ridiculous argument. Hope their insecurities resolve after they back over their toddlers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah absolutely. This silly car doesn't even have enough room for a suitcase and the dogs in the back but it's a good head an shoulders above my dad's holden station wagon.

Part of that is the battery sure (maybe the head part) a lot is also ground clearance. I need a bit of ground clearance sure but we used to manage with firm suspension just fine. If it's shaking the crap out of you just drive slower. No need to tear down lumpy roads at 80 km/h unless you're actually a farmer.

We are also talking 2 big greyhounds and 2 six foot people, one with back problems that prevent a more reclined seating position, living in the blue mountains. We're not your average family. This stuff is marketed to average urbanites who defs need to be able to fit an entire Holiday's worth of luggage and their whole family on those red pavement roads they take to the school in the morning?

Surely there's room for more practical stuff ffs.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What's actually going to ruin adoption are the new electric vehicle taxes being introduced

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

EVs are much heavier than ICE cars of the same size and wear roads faster so more funding will be needed to maintain everything. Walkability/cycling and PT are the way forward

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

While it's true that EVs are generally heavier than equivalent ICE vehicles, it doesn't actually make much difference. Heavy trucks account for the vast majority of road wear and tear. Even a comparatively heavy EV doesn't weigh anywhere near as much as a truck.

The "EVs will wear the roads out!" argument is generally trotted out by people who have been influenced by those who have a vested interest in keeping ICE around.

It's true that active transport and PT are better in most respects, its naive to think we'll be getting rid of cars any time soon. When people do need to drive, an EV is always a better choice from an environmental standpoint.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Just a reminder to keep discussions civil and respectful - This includes dog-piling, everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you notice the conversation degenerate it is fine just to agree to disagree.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was at a shopping center and the car park was almost full. Then i saw this dumb bitch in her big ford Raptor , trying to get into the parking lot which is already busy. Looking at her driving skill and face , I knew she'll do something dumb so I took out my phone and started recording. 5 minutes in she side swiped another car. The guy who was driving a VW golf got out and yelled at her in some asian language. I recorded the full thing, its really fun to watch

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would they not be driving gas-powered SUVs if not for the availability of electric ones? Are electric SUVs not more efficient than a gas-powered vehicle of the same mass? If so, then that's still a win, just less of one than was hoped for.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Not necessarily. I bought an electric SUV (BYD Atto 3,) but would definitely have preferred something smaller. I definitely appreciate some aspects of its size, but if an affordable hatchback had been available, I'd almost certainly have gone with that. I could have waited, but there was no way to know at the time how long it would be until something like that was available. The most likely contender was the BYD Dolphin, but at that stage there was no confirmation that it would definitely be coming here.

While I'm sure many people buy the SUVs because they genuinely want something that size, I suspect a lot of people are like me and are buying what's available.

EVs are more efficient than an ICE vehicle of the same size, let alone the same mass. But yeah, still a win even if not as big a win as desired. EVs at their worst are still better for the environment than ICE.

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