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submitted 2 months ago by NorskSud@lemmy.pt to c/buyfromeu@feddit.org

Joule is the metric system unit to measure the energy in food, however we still see calories being used everywhere, specially advertising and fitness influencers. Let's stop this nonsense.

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[-] mech@feddit.org 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Every packaging in the EU already includes kilojoules as unit for energy content of food.
You can't force influencers to use them, you can only force companies and government bodies.
And in some cases, using metric would simply be worse in daily life.
Like using Kelvin instead of Celcius, meters per second instead of kilometers per hour, seconds in general instead of hours and days...
Fun fact: The fuel consumption of a car that needs 10 litres / 100 km (24 miles per gallon) could be simplified to 0.1 mm^2^ .
Is it metric? Yes. Is it practical? Not really.

[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 9 points 2 months ago

Celsius is basically the same as Kelvin, it just puts 0 in a different place.

See Wikipedia:

By definition, the Celsius scale (symbol °C) and the Kelvin scale have the same magnitude; that is, a rise of 1 K is equal to a rise of 1 °C and vice versa, and any temperature in degrees Celsius can be converted to kelvin by adding 273.15.[1][5]

[-] Jako302@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

Most people that know what Kelvin is also know that is the same scale as Celsius, but that doesn't mean its equally is convenient in everyday use.

The single best thing about the Celsius scale (and pretty mich the only thing that makes it better than Fahrenheit except of familiarity) is that 0°C is placed at the most impactful Temperature point for normal people.

[-] Don_alForno@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago

You seem to confuse metric with SI units. And prefixes for the base units (like km instead of 1000m) do exist in the SI system.

[-] NorskSud@lemmy.pt 5 points 2 months ago

I'm not forcing anyone, I'm trying to influence them to use joules instead

[-] mech@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago

Your title says the EU should use Joules.
The EU already does use Joules for food.
Not sure what you mean. Influencers aren't the EU.

[-] NorskSud@lemmy.pt 3 points 2 months ago

I mean EU in the widest sense including us, the EU citizens, including personal trainers and marketing people.

[-] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Also packages are made for different country so they need to contain the specific info

[-] excral@feddit.org 4 points 2 months ago
[-] FleetingTit@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago

Celsius, l/100km, and kph are still all metric.

[-] Joyje@feddit.nu -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And in some cases, using metric would simply be worse in daily life.

No?

Like using Kelvin instead of Celcius

They are the same thing. They just use different starting points.

meters per second instead of kilometers per hour

Meters per second and kilometers per hour are both the same system, called the metric system.

seconds in general instead of hours and days

What are you on about? Seconds, hours and days are all part of the same system.

Fun fact: The fuel consumption of a car that needs 10 litres / 100 km (24 miles per gallon) could be simplified to 0.1 mm2

Actually yes. 10 L = 10 dm^3 = 10 000 cm^3. That means 10 L / 100 km = 10 000 cm^3 / 100 km.

To simplify further:

10 000 cm^3 / 100 km =

10 cm^3 / 100 m =

0.1 cm^3 / 100 cm =

0.001 cm^3 / 1 cm =

0.001 cm^2 =

0.1 mm^2

Is it metric? Yes. Is it practical? Not really.

It was already metric from the start before any mathematical simplification was done, so the metric system was definitely practical here.

Is the simplest mathematical form always the same as the simplest practical form? Definitely not, but that has nothing to do with the metric system.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

kilometers per hour are both the same system, called the metric system.

hour are not a metric unit though?

[-] Joyje@feddit.nu 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hour isn't the SI unit for time, but it is still accepted as a non-SI unit within the metric system.

https://metricsystem.net/non-si-units/units-whose-names-include-non-si-units/kilometre-per-hour/

[-] mech@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

If you're gonna correct someone, be correct.
Your further simplification ignores that one of the units is cubed.

[-] Joyje@feddit.nu 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What do you mean? I wrote cubed as ^3 throughout the entire explanation.

[-] mech@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

You edited your comment 16 minutes ago. When I wrote my reply you had your units wrong.

[-] Joyje@feddit.nu 2 points 2 months ago

Yes. I eventually noticed my mistake and corrected it. 👍Thanks for pointing it out.

[-] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Why? It is quite a round number. 1 calorie raises the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 degree

[-] ftbd@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago

And how do you convert that to mechanical or electrical energy?

[-] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Why would I need the energy of a biscuit as electrical energy? In a case like that I guess that I'll multiply by 4.whatever and get joules.

[-] ftbd@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago

The energy needed to heat water also has no practical relevance in your everyday life, and calories are not inherently easier. If everything had always been in kJ, you would find it just as intuitive.

[-] Paulemeister@feddit.org 5 points 2 months ago

Counter question: Why would I need to know how many grams of water I can raise the Temperature by one degree with the food I eat?

[-] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago

For the same practical reason I would need the mechanical energy of a carrot.

Wait wait, I got it! How many biscuits do I need to burn to boil the carrot?

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

But calories are metric!

" the heat energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 °C "

[-] NorskSud@lemmy.pt 4 points 2 months ago

From Wikipedia:

However, the calorie is not part of the International System of Units (SI), and is regarded as obsolete,[2] having been replaced by the SI derived unit of energy, the joule (J),[9] or the kilojoule (kJ) for 1000 joules.

[-] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago

Calories are CGS units, which is a metric system.

What you want to argue is that they are not SI units.

Metric ≠ SI

[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu -1 points 2 months ago

Wikipedia disagrees with you

[-] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

No, it doesn't

relevant citation, highlighting by me:

The centimetre–gram–second system of units (CGS or cgs) is a variant of the metric system based on the centimetre as the unit of length, the gram as the unit of mass, and the second as the unit of time.

[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 points 2 months ago

Read that again

[-] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

i do like kWh (1000 Watt * 1 hour) even though it's not metric. because it's useful in everyday life.

[-] tamlyn@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 months ago

Every food should have Joules information besides calories. So it's not really a law problem, just how most people use it.

[-] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 months ago

Every food already have joules besides of calories.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago

i already do. a person requires 8 MJ of energy/day, that's about 100 W on average.

[-] rbn@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

Can you explain the maths on that?

I thought 1 Joule equals 1 Watt for 1 second. 8 MJ = 8000000 Ws. If you divide by 3600 (60 * 60), you get ~2222 Watt hours or 2.222 kWh.

[-] B0rax@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

There are 24h in a day. Divide your number by 24 and it will roughly match.

[-] rbn@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks! I guess I was a bit confused there. 🙈

[-] sockinggood@piefed.social 5 points 2 months ago

Do you also want to use metric for time of day?

Calories for food is more understandable for people I think. But personally I welcome metric everywhere.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Calories are metric. This is like wanting people to switch to Kelvin instead of Celsius.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Good analogy. Exactly.

[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago

I'd be down for base 10 time.

[-] NorskSud@lemmy.pt 2 points 2 months ago

By more understandable you mean they're used to. They can get used to something else.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Thought I was in unpopular opinion for a second there. Sorry, I meant for a 1/60th of a minute.

[-] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

Actually, the second is the base unit.

[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 points 2 months ago

Which is particurlaly funny given that it was abolished when the metric system was created. During the revolution, we decided we would have decimal time instead of those ancient babylonian units. It was reverted a few years later, but the metric system was originally designed for having 100k seconds per day

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I didn't claim it isn't. 🤔

[-] guelsoylu@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

Is this discussion imported from the US? It reads like a redneck objecting to the metric system purely out of habit, while shouting “We’re American! metric is nonsense!!!1!”

What practical advantages does using joules offer over calories?

[-] NorskSud@lemmy.pt 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Joules is the correct and accurate unit. Calories are used out of habit despite being a less optimal unit not endorsed by science. So it's weird to be called a redneck for stating that.

PS: and no, this is not imported from the US where no one has ever heard of joules. Joules are however commonly used in some countries already, so there's hope.

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