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Elon Musk pushed to use Tesla’s internal driver monitoring camera to record video of drivers’ behavior, primarily for Tesla to use this video as evidence to defend itself from investigations in the event of a crash, according to Walter Isaacson’s new biography of the Tesla CEO.

Walter Isaacson’s biography of Elon Musk is out, resulting in several revelations about Tesla’s past, present, and future. One of these revelations is a potential use for the Tesla internal driver monitoring camera that is included on current Teslas.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, this is going to be a issue for most if not all driver assisted cars I think. GM's hand's free system uses eye tracking cameras for their system and I have no doubt they're probably also going to push for these kinds of reviews in their crashes too, all recalls and scandals considered.

The laws need to catch up with the tech sooner rather than later here.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can your 4th and/or 5th amendment rights be extended to your car? To your AI assistant?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When you buy a car it's spelled out in the privacy policy that they are absolutely collecting data and using it for X Y purpose and sharing it with their partners. Mozilla did an article on the policies and one of them even flat out said they are collecting data about having sex in the car. Edit: Sorry my point was going to be that when you purchase a car you are agreeing to this and if you disagree you don't purchase it. So there is no protection because we've consented and personal data is too profitable wo American oligarchs won't let those laws change.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I think that is why Ford’s Blue Cruise that uses IR sensors like iPhone’s Face ID You s the better way to go.

But ultimately al L this tech can be misused. And will be misused.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Teslas have internal driver monitoring cameras? :O

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

According to the article, they have since 2017 but they've been disabled/unused until 2021.

Tesla used to rely entirely on a torque sensor in the steering wheel to determine if you're still paying attention; now they use the camera to monitor you too.

Supposedly this doesn't leave the car unless you've opted in to allow it, but given the Customer footage lawsuit Tesla is currently dealing with, I wouldn't trust that to be true.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I imagine there is a process to get hold of this footage from an individual vehicle following a crash? Especially when a lawsuit is confirmed.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A little piece of electrical tape solves this.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Not if you want to keep using the self driving features you paid out the ass for

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Months ago back on reddit in the justrolledintotheshop subreddit someone posted a picture where the owner of the car put tape over the internal camera of their vehicle which was not a Tesla but the car refused to start because it couldn't see the driver.