Microsoft Teams is such a horrible piece of software that productivity will rise after abandoning Teams.
"How can we make slack even worse?"
Any exec who makes people use that should be fired
Reinventing the wheel .... Jisti cries in corner
Look, no offense, but had you check the github Readme, or the previous comments, as it is mentioned several times, and you would have found that it is just an integration of LiveKit in their internal communication system, called Tchap, and Tchap is just a customized non-federated Matrix server.
No wheel reinvented.
I haven't quite understood, what LiveKit has to do with video conferencing. Isn't that just some weird AI thingy?
https://github.com/livekit/livekit
It's a framework to build audio/video AND AI agent interaction.
I guess they just didn't use the AI part and then it's a WebRTC framework.
Why didn't they pour money on Jitsi?
European, mature, FOSS...
I fear grift is there somewhere.
Also, French engineering has a habit of turning sound concepts into messy overengineerd but underbuilt results.
My guess would be that its because La Suite tries to replace all of Microsoft Office and having all the moving parts under your organisations control makes it easier to create a fully integrated office suite that offers the same UX throughout. Also Jitsi is owned by 8x8, a US company, which might have factored into the decision to create something new.
The development is quite transparent. The team is looking at reduced development and more integration, so instead of "pouring money on a project", they tried various solutions, and picked the "best one".
One criteria was an integration with their internal communication system: Tchap, essentially a Matrix server. The Matrix video call group didn't cut it because it requires ElementX, and apparently there are unresolved issue there (no idea if it's the app itself or due to customization of their Matrix server). They ended up with Visio, that is not a "new" solution: it's based on LiveKit.
Also, French engineering has a habit of turning sound concepts into messy overengineerd but underbuilt results
Any example ?
I've had several French cars, starting with an R4. That one was good, did exactly what it was designed to do. Next I had Talbot Horizon, an american (Chrysler) car with a very good diesel engine. Then I had a Peugeot 505, that had a good engine that was over complicated to the extreme, to the point that the oli overflow pipe litrelly crossed over from one side of the engine to the other, a truly brain dead design. Also the electrics in the back were literally routed under the rear light seals, so a seal failure meant that the electrical system shorted when it rained, the central locking and windows actuators had similar design flaws.
I also had a Xara, which had several secondary ecus, which had to be progressively eliminated , until I sent the thing to the scrap yard, out of despair, despite having a sound body and engine.
I'm in Europe, and I sometimes play the game of observing how many old cars (15+ years) I spot by nationality. Plenty of German, Spanish, Czech, Japanese and Korean. Very few Italian or French.
My daily driver now is a 26 year old Skoda. I do all maintenance. In nearly 500.000 km, it has had zero major failures. A few minor things, starter (Bosch), two window regulators, a CV joint, and the usual, belts, clutch, brake pads... Consumables. I love how logical the engine bay is.
I wonder what is wrong with jitsi...
I believe this was mostly about stability with 100+ meeting participants. This is second hand information though.
Have you tried selfhosting it? For me, it was unusable, despite a beefy cloud server, even for just 2 people. And thats ignoring setup complexity.
This one is optimized and kubernetes ready, which makes it super easy. Will try out soon.
I was hosting it 5 years ago in a 2gb or 4gb VPS. We were able to run 1440p@120hz, if not higher, streams of our games. The server didn't seem to care much about the load.
That sounds amazing, because I tried it last year and it was like 12 fps with 2 people in a 720p videocall on a much beefier VPS.
As others said, large meetings with many video feeds at the same time.
MS about to swoop in with the yuge discounts…
Folks, you won't believe how yuge these discounts are. The biggliest discounts ever. Many people are saying they've never seen one as big as this. Also, new 500% tarrifs on anyone who doesn't buy office365.
Just created
In testing for the past year
Interesting but do not trust Macron on anything, he's part of the club.
This is awesome!
But I am confused, isn't github Microsoft though? Why host it there?
Because it's free, convenient, and works. And it's a git project so the code is already distributed, so if Trump has another tantrum and decides the EU can't use any American tech, the deleted PRs and issues would be annoying but we'll still have the code.
isn't codeberg free as well? And it's in Germany
France has horrible laws for encryption, so how much do you want to bet this thing doesn't have e2ee.
This is an Intel operation
Zoom has poor encryption. I have seen targeted ads a day after discussing very specific chemical reagents on zoom.
Zoom, Teams, Meet, and all the major providers do not have e2ee on by default. It's a paid extra and almost nobody turns it on.
Mega uses e2ee by default, and it cannot be turned off.
I’m not convinced Zoom doesn’t just sell your contact information to third parties.
Yeah, it was definitely that and not all the web browsing and searching you and your colleague did before, during, and after the meeting, and the meeting notes you sent over gmail/microsoft mail. 🙄
This tool is developed for France's administration, not for the public. They host the servers. So I don't think e2ee is indeed a requirement.
Its FOSS (or I guess FLOSS for this case since they are French lol), meaning it doesn't matter if the people creating the app are "good" or "bad" actors. A "good" actor can always create a fork or host their own instance.
I get that government use needs to be stringently tested for security, and so things take a little longer. But really, there are PLENTY of good FOSS products in existence that can be used as a base framework and a head-start to things like this.
You don't have to re-invent the wheel when you could easily fork Jitsi-meet and harden it/secure it to your needs in the government.
Jitsi is one of my top 5 FOSS projects that are basically already mature enough to be used in a professional setting
It's literally the third word on the github readme of the project linked I'm the post :
Powered by LiveKit
Lovekiy is an open source framework for voice and video conferencing
Here’s an article on LiveKit if anyone else is interested.
Why would they name it "Visio"? That is already the name of a different Microsoft product.
Because that's the French word for it, a visioconférence.
Outlook was trademarked.
Nextcloud and Infomaniak says hello.
That's one good place I want to see tax payer money going. Would be nice if a more governments join in and make big corpo irrelevant.
Be like the French
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