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  • Hamas-run government says Israeli strikes on Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza killed at least 195 Palestinians, with concerns raised by the UN that these could constitute war crimes.
  • Evacuation of foreign nationals from Gaza is underway, with 320 already crossed into Egypt; about 7,500 are expected to leave within two weeks.
  • The strikes targeted Hamas military leaders and infrastructure, with Israel’s campaign responding to Hamas' cross-border attacks from Oct. 7.
  • U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is set to visit Israel and Jordan to discuss the conflict and the need to minimize civilian casualties.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (24 children)

When will the World stop Israel indulging in this Blood thirsty revenge ritual ?

when is the the fucking humanity going to stand up to this rotten world order ?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The world long ago has proven to care very little about actual human beings. The world cares only about politics and power, everything is power struggles no matter the human cost.

Honestly I am sick and disgusted how for example the US is using another conflict for nationalist propaganda, e.g.

Posting on social media Biden wrote: "Today, thanks to American leadership, we secured safe passage for wounded Palestinians and for foreign nationals to exit Gaza.

They reiterate that Israel doesn't have the right to indiscriminately kill civilians, while also vetoing every UN resolution calling for a ceasefire or even a pause to ease the humanitarian situation.

The world is appalled by 1400 victims, but at the same time turning a blind eye at the human toll on the Palestinian side.

By the end of this conflict the number of civilian casualties would be much higher, the number of traumatised kids and people, who have lost relatives, and/or roof over their heads would be even higher and this would have solved absolutely nothing as a new wave of desperate people would be pushed into radicalization and hatred towards their oppressor.

RIP peace and human rights!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The world isn’t turning a blind eye, western powers are. Even then, literally everyone in the UN except the US and Israel voted for a ceasefire.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The current Israeli government seems to be Fascist and historically Fascists aren't exactly known for caring about the lives of "lesser races", refraining from sacrificing even "their own people" "for the greater good" or once they're engaged in politics by violent means to stop unless force by an even more powerful force.

Given that those Fascists have the unwavering support of the US (as well as from countries like France, the UK and Germany), they will likely continue the killings until they achieve what they themselves described as a "Second Nakba"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

They won't. Look at Sebrenica.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Actual Reuters headline:

Hamas says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people

OP’s headline :

Gaza says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago

URL says Gaza, Reuters changed the headline after it was posted.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No editorializing from me. Reuters changed the title after I submitted the post. You can see it cached by Photon here:

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (33 children)

I don't see a problem here. I trust their numbers. They have released lists with all the people killed by Israel before and parts of those lists were confirmed by relatives living abroad. "Hamas-run X,Y,Z" is just a cheap way of trying to delegitimize palestinian deaths.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Gaza's Hamas-run media office

Its weird seeing both Hamas and non-Hamas government related bodies. Kind of confusing juggling Gaza without Hamas, Gaza with Hamas, and Hamas's militant wing specifically.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Hamas is literally the elected government of Palestine. They are the authority in Gaza that releases these numbers.

Correction: Hamas is the government body of Gaza, not of all Palestine, which includes the West Bank.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (17 children)

I had somebody tell me yesterday that this refugee camp is in fact a city.

As if bombing a city is better.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

It's the third massive bombing of the refugee camp. On of the most densely populated area of Gaza which is the most densely populate area on earth.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Zionist psychopaths are above the law.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The sad thing to me is that I don't think either government genuinely cares about the 195 deaths except as political leverage on Hamas's side and 195 fewer problems in Netanyahu's way.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (25 children)

I really struggle to see what leverage Hamas gains by fudging their numbers. It feels like a talking point to reduce the fatality count.

This number, half this number, quarter this number... the political reality is the same. Murmurs of condemnation while the US keeps the money pump going, Israel keeps commiting war crimes, and Palestine shrinks into nothing.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I don't see the benefit to slow rolling the release of foreign nationals in Gaza. Why is it going to take 2 weeks?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

To be honest, I don't really know who to trust at this point. They both have done/are doing horrible things and innocents are suffering. But I 1000% also believe all parties involved would/do lie to serve their ends.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (43 children)

Let's just assume that Israel isn't lying. They're telling us that taking out one Hamas official is worth nearly two hundred innocent lives in collateral damage. Best case scenario, they're still monsters.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Fair point.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Human rights orgs say they have trust in Gaza health ministry numbers. It's safe to trust that, I would say. We have no reason or indication to doubt the numbers and they seem consistent with the amount of destruction we are seeing.

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