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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by Prunebutt@slrpnk.net to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

@geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml banned me from !ManufacturingConsent@lemmy.ml (permanently!) and removed my comment from the post, because I dared to note that there are protests in Iran and shared a link to a crimethinc article with voices from within Iran. They call it "imperialist propaganda" if leftist voices from within Iran are distributed.

My comment:

I get it that the western media narrative is incredibly one-sided, focused on ideological bogeymen and focused on getting the monarch back in power. But I'd like to point out that there is in fact quite massive repression going on against the protestors. Leftist orgs in Iran need international solidarity now.

Their "reasoning":

reason: Ignoring the post to spam imperialist propaganda

I don't think that person can be reasoned with if they call crimethinc imperialist propaganda, so I'm not getting my hopes up for them lifting the ban.

I also think that they might be a bit butthurt, because I called out their zionistic worldview (i.e.: that judaism equates zionism) a few days ago.

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

PTB. Campists are already labeling the whole thing as "color revolution" and desperatelly trying to defend the brutal Theocracy currently murdering thousands in the streets. So this is expected at this point.

Pre-emptive to whom it may concern: Don't @ me with your shit takes about how I'm blindly supporting US imperialism.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

Seems solid ptb to me. But yes, I don't think there's much likelihood of getting it reversed. You made the cardinal sin of calling for leftist aid for the people of Iran against their murderous anti west government. Which by the transitive property of being anti west, means that the power structure of the government is the good guy and victim here.

I knew the moment our hypocritical dumbass opened his mouth certain groups would use it to delegitimize the protests. But this is a learning opportunity. To understand who your actual allies are, and who's just reactionarily anti west.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Tankies if they existed back in 1917, probably: the Tsar isn’t perfect by any stretch, but he’s doing all he can to oppose and stop the imperialist Kaiser! The so called People’s Soviets and Lenin are just agents of the imperial enemy attempting to install their own puppet!

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 10 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not sure where I got this info. But I think I readonce that even Kropotkin argued for fighting the Kaiser.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Oh I’m mocking modern campists, saying they’d probably support the establishment over a people’s revolution, if they were around back then. Probably should have made that more clear. And you’re right, Kropotkin was one of the signatories of the Manifesto of the Sixteen supporting the Entente.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, I got that. Just wanted to share trivia. (:

[-] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Here me out. Many of the 'tankies' on lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad are not actually tankies. People use that insult far too much.

It's often giving them too much credit.

Here's an excerpt from a relevant article:

Walking along the thoroughfares of the Russian capital these days, it’s easy to feel as though you’ve gone “Back to the Future.” Like Marty McFly in the classic 1985 movie, visitors to Moscow might imagine they’ve traveled back in time to the Soviet past, ... Golden hammer-and-sickle emblems festoon the buildings on Red Square, and out at the old Exhibition of Economic Achievements—a grand, Disneyland-sized theme park extolling the accomplishments of the Soviet Union—the statues of workers and collective farmers are all polished up like new. ... Tatiana Desiatova, a straight-talking Communist with a reputation for bluntness, says there is a much simpler and more cynical explanation for all of it: “The oligarchs have built nothing but their own wealth, so now we see them cleaning up the old monuments, putting out the old Soviet symbols, singing the old songs, and celebrating some of the USSR’s achievements in an attempt to bolster their own flagging legitimacy.” ... The Russian state manipulates those positive sentiments linked to the past in order to raise its own profile at home and abroad, opportunistically cherry-picking from the Soviet record while still taking advantage of every chance to trash Lenin, Marxist ideology, and socialist economics. ... It all seems to prove Tatiana Desiatova right. Putin sits at the head of a clique that calls the shots on everything—from economics to politics to war. Neither the plastering of Moscow with Soviet symbols and red flags nor the renovation of socialist monuments can hide the reality that Russia is a capitalist state ruled by a class of parasitical oligarchs.

Many of the 'leftists' you encounter online fall for the bullshit, as long as it's anti-western. The esthetic is enough for them because they are invariably young, dumb, naive, immature and/or privileged. For them debating politics is a hobby, not a cry for help or a fight for survival. It's fashionable and often a phase. They are nothing more than cosplay communists, who pop a Lenin avatar in their profile, but have no grasp of history or Marxism-Leninism. They're justifiably critical of western capitalism, they watched a streamer, they watched some tiktoks, and have come to the conclusion that any regime that is anti-western is necessarily better. This results in them knowingly and unknowingly parrotting the propaganda of anti-communists, theocrats and outright fascists.

They aren't like the tankies who supported the Soviets for ideological reasons, who were often willing to overlook or in denial about what happened in Hungary or Tiananmen. My grandparents were like that, and I could understand why they had a hard time accepting that the USSR and China were less than perfect, they had pinned all their hopes on them, and were living in a pre-internet age where western media bias went largely uncontested, and western imperial crimes went unpunished.

Cosplay communists may lie (to themselves and others) that they are critical of authoritarian capitalist states that wrap themselves in the hammer and sickle, but still mindlessly regurgitate the narratives of these billionaire oligarch run states like the useful idiots they are. If you're genuinely left-wing, it can be comforting to think of these people as allies or make excuses for them, but it's important to realize that they are not. They aren't actual allies, just contrarian parrots.

To be clear, this comment does not apply to actual communists. Thank you for attending my lecture. There will be no time for questions.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The esthetic is enough for them because they are invariably young, dumb, naive, immature and/or privileged.

You're wrong on that. Many MLs are plenty reasonable and mature in general. They're just misguided. We're better than these paternalistic insults.

Also, you're constantly skirting uncomfortably close to ableist insults for this instance. You have to stop painting people you disagree as unintelligent. There's plenty of other ways to make your point.

[-] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago

We’re better than these paternalistic insults.

Condescending or patronizing. Paternalistic implies benevolent intent, not contempt.

:)

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[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Let me preface with saying Iran is indeed an authoritarian regime that killed many opposition. But Iran is rightfully anti west . The US and British did a coup and put the the shah instead who killed many people and when Iranians took back control of their country and kicked out the western agents the west retaliated with sanctions .

If the west want to be liked it should stop supporting settler colonialism, it should stop being complicit with multiple conflicts and genocides around the world

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, I never implied otherwise, and I agree 100%. But that doesn't make the government good. It's possible to be anti west, but not repressive and slaughtering your citizens in the street.

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[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 weeks ago

Firmly a PTB. Holy shit .ml is never going to ever stop being like this. "Left unity" once again just means Anarchists have to obey MLs, and MLs never have to listen to anarchists.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 20 points 3 weeks ago

The contents of the shared article make this ban extra ironic:

And, of course, there are the pseudo-left campists—the self-styled “anti-imperialists”—who whitewash the Islamic Republic’s dictatorship by projecting an anti-imperialist mask onto its façade. They cast doubt on the legitimacy of the current protests by repeating the tired accusation that “an uprising under these conditions is nothing but playing on the field of imperialism,” because they can only read Iran through the lens of geopolitical conflict—as if every revolt is merely a US–Israeli project in disguise. In doing so, they deny the political subjectivity of the people of Iran and grant the Islamic Republic discursive and political immunity as it massacres and represses its own population.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

PTB, although I can’t say I’m surprised with the comm name. It’s annoying that so many leftist spaces just end up being campist authcom echo chambers

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[-] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 weeks ago

Regarding the original comment, I don't believe it deserves deletion, let alone a lifetime ban. In my opinion, it was written in good faith and is in no way propaganda. As for the Crimethinc article, it's clearly not "imperialist propaganda" as well, but rather wishful thinking. If you read it carefully, you can easily conclude that there is no third "leftist" option for Iran, since the article fails to do the most important thing – name those "leftist orgs in Iran" that could have a real impact and that "need international solidarity now". When Iran truly could have taken a different path – in the late 1970s and early 1980s – there were many diverse leftist organizations, ranging from Tudeh to MEK, from Fadaiyan-e-Khalq to Sarbedaran, that waged open war against both the Shah's and the Ayatollahs' regimes. Nothing like that exists now, and the Crimethinc article actually confirms this, regardless of the authors' intentions. So, in modern Iran, there is nothing but a few left-leaning individuals with very limited ability to influence anything, and the choice is only between a brutal theocracy and a Trump-loving shahzadeh.

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[-] AzuranAurora@piefed.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago

PTB. Geneva is a bit of a nutjob and this is far from surprising behaviour from them. You won't miss much from being banned from any community they moderate.

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[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

PTB.

But it’s .ml, they only care about pushing propaganda and hate non-ML leftist viewpoints.

Also CrimeThinc are fucking awesome and everyone should go check out the great work they do.

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