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[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 99 points 3 months ago

The US still looking weird by calling Germany “Germany.”

[-] missingno@fedia.io 61 points 3 months ago

About as weird as calling Nihon "Japan".

[-] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 53 points 3 months ago

Tbf a good chunk of Europe calls it "land of people that can't speak" basically

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 42 points 3 months ago

They're clearly thinking of the Dutch.

[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

They can speak, they just act like they can't in front of foreigners. I am learning "Dutch" and am 100% convinced this whole language is a hoax

[-] agavaa@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

Cause they can't!1!

But for real, for those who are curious: the border between Germany and Poland is effectively the border between western and eastern Europe. So to Slav people Germans lived right over there, and yet spoke something incomprehensible; so we called them "mute" (in Poland at least). If I can't understand you you are mute to me, basically. And the word for "Germans" is the same as for "Germany", so we call the country itself mutes 😅

[-] Demdaru@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

For fun with words:

  • Niemcy - polish for Germans
  • Niemcy - polish for Germany
  • Niemy - polish for mute
  • Jadę do Niemiec - "I am riding to Germany"
  • Jadę z niemcami - "I am riding with germans"
  • Jadę z niemcem - "I am riding with a german"
  • Jadę z Niemczech - "I am riding from Germany"
  • Jadę z niemym - "I am riding with a mute"

I wonder how confusing these are for people not speaking polish xD

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[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 3 months ago

Nemecko
Nemý

Never realized that.

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Still better than Rakousko/Rakúsko. Czech and Slovak are the only languages where the word for Austria does not originate from "Österreich" but from Ratgoz, a single proto-Austrian guy's name.

[-] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Yeah right? When it hit me I was like hmmm

[-] ceiphas@feddit.org 28 points 3 months ago

Du meinst Deutschland.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And what about the Romance languages. They call Germany “Land of the Alemanni”, they called an entire country full of different tribes after a single Germanic tribe that lived near the French/Italian border. It’s like calling the entire country of the Netherlands Amsterdam.

[-] Dicska@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's like calling the entire country of the Netherlands Holland. Holland(ia?) is part of the Netherlands which gave the name of the country in a bunch of languages.

This is weird, by the way, I just wrote about the exact same thing not too long ago.

[-] gerryflap@feddit.nl 6 points 3 months ago

I can open your link, but as someone who's Dutch, the way this all works in English is so absurd. Here we call Germany "Duitsland" and they speak "Duits". This is quite similar to what they say themselves, "Deutschland" and "Deutsch". We call our country "Nederland" and our language "Nederlands". This is again similar in German.

Then why is English "Germany", "German" and "Holland"/"The Netherlands" and "Dutch". It's so silly. There are of course historic reasons, but can't we all just collectively change it?

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

as someone who’s Dutch, the way this all works in English is so absurd

Yeah but don't you say Japan instead of Nihon/Nippon? Every language does this to a certain extent.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 3 points 3 months ago

Face it, even the Anglophones know what you speak is simply Drunk German. :P

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[-] mech@feddit.org 18 points 3 months ago

The weirdest ones are the Finns, calling Germany Saksa.
I'm German and I feel more at home when I'm in Finland than in Sachsen.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 8 points 3 months ago

Finnish Saksa is a reference to the Saxon tribe from Old Saxon in Northern Germany, not the current Sachsen.

[-] First_Thunder@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago

What about the Portuguese! ALEMANHA for Germany

[-] Spezi@feddit.org 10 points 3 months ago

In Grench it’s Allemagne. The Alemanni were a german tribe at the rhine.

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago

In Grench

Is that the Grinch's native language?

[-] Spezi@feddit.org 8 points 3 months ago

No, its the French-Greek hybrid they speak in Freece

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

Parlez vous Grancais?

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[-] remon@ani.social 14 points 3 months ago

Not any weirder than any other English speaking country.

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago

Or any country really. I'd be curious to see if a chart of languages ranked on how many countries' endonyms are also the same word in that language. But there's definitely no language that doesn't have exonyms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endonym_and_exonym

[-] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

English speakers call Deutschland Germany, don't give us all the credit here. And it's called that cause the UK hated keeping track of what y'all were calling yourselves, so they chose bigotry instead (a common theme for England). The rest of us usually don't know the history and just have a word with no context as to why it is that way.

For those Americans who don't understand, calling it Germany is like calling First Nation land "Indialand" because "how can anyone keep track of what they call it? It's always changing!"

[-] b_tr3e@feddit.org 6 points 3 months ago

Actually, it was the Romans who came up with the term "Germani" for the various tribes at the nortthern end of the world. The anglo-saxons being one of them.

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[-] Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago
[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

Why put that on the US? We just carried on calling it what the English did.

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

To spur discussion, mostly

[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

We romanians call it Germania as well for some reason

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[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 42 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I constantly mix up sore and sono. 😮‍💨

For more context: They don't just mean the same thing. One is a pronoun and the other is an adjective. Like the difference between the word THAT in the following sentences: "That which is given" vs "Hand me that."

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Just remember that "no" is the particle that indicates possession, so you need to show what it's possessing if you use it.

Sore can be used as a subject or object directly:

それを説明して下さい。
Explain that please.

Compared to:

その話を説明して下さい。
Explain that conversation please.

Using "no" to show possession can be used without indicating the possessed word with regular nouns, but not the kono/sono/ano words.

家のドアは大きい。
The house's door is big.
家のは大きい。
The house's is big.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 6 points 3 months ago

Thank you for actually talking about the post ;)

I find that when speaking about them in isolation I also have to take a split-second to remember which one is which. But after a bit of practice, when actually forming sentences, you'll develop a feeling for it and using the wrong one will sound wrong to your ears so you won't need to think about it.

[-] dwemthy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

It helps me that 'no' marks possession or relation so 'sono' is like a shortening of 'sore no' and that means something more specific comes after.

[-] PodPerson@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

But both of those examples are pronouns?

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 5 points 3 months ago

I think they were just saying that in both sentences "that" has different meanings.

Maybe clearer:

Sore ha ringo desu - that is an apple

Sono ringo wo kaimasu - I'll buy that apple

(ringo is apple)

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[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

what about koitsu ... Germany line?

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 months ago

I was screwing around on Duolingo for a while, trying different languages. Happened upon Russian.

After you get through the alien character set and sounds, it was pretty easy, or so I thought.

There are 16 verb classes There is formal and informal dialect Nouns are gendered.

[-] ickplant@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

I happen to be Russian, and yeah. Not the language to learn for funsies.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 months ago

Hey, until I got to grammar, it was great!

[-] db2@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago
[-] nialv7@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Ok but then what about are, ano, aitsu?

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

This, that, tentacle monster.

[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

I'm expecting the last one to mean "anal"

[-] Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 3 months ago

As someone who's family is trying to learn Japanese in order to better enjoy our trip there... I feel this in the depths of my soul...

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