Ive seen Palestinians in gaza on twitter saying that the air smells strange as well (more evidence of them using chemical weapons is what im saying, basically.
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The war crimes keep adding up and they still can't make any strategic gains against the resistance. The clock is ticking...
Paper tiger etc etc
Those motherfuckers have nukes
Yeah but will they use them?
They can't use them, Gaza is literally next door.
Unfortunately they have decided they don't care about Israeli casualties, if they lose everyone loses
Strange smelling air is a red flag for Chem weapons
Yes exactly
If you can smell that something about the air is off, then you are most likely already dead. It is in your lung at that point.
Not necessarily. It depends on the gas. The question of lethality is always a question of doseage.
Perhaps with a household gas leak or the like, but with military grade chemical weapons, if you can smell it then you are in for a very very bad time.
Ok, 2 things:
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Are they going for a war crime bingo?
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isnt this very very stupid? How does this not spread to israel too? It's gas
Optics wise it's also possibly the only war crime more obviously and blatantly evil than what they're already doing like bombing the hospital.
They don't even get the (im)'plausible' deniability angle of targeting a Hamas base.
I honestly can’t think of much to say other than reremind people that Fascist Italy also deployed chemical weapons. Reading this story I almost instantly thought of the scene in The Lion of the Desert where Graziani’s forces expelled sulfur mustard into a Libyan valley to harm and terrorise the insurgents resisting Fascism. As somebody who studies the subject, the memory came naturally to me when I saw this.
I know that somebody (most likely a Zionist) could claim that I am simply appealing to guilt by association, but I am not saying that chemical weapons are wrong simply because Fascist Italy used them. Chemical weapons are wrong in their own right, which is why it is unsurprising that the Zionists are using them too.
The goal, presumably, is to displace the units that cannot be displaced in other ways. What this indicates is that Hamas has established a position that Israel cannot penetrate so they are willing to commit war crimes. That's a pretty serious endorsement of the effectiveness of Hamas.
It's not stupid in the sense that if both sides have to displace in order to avoid the gas, presumably Hamas cannot regain their position in time for the subsequent Israeli assault and thus the position will fall.
It's stupid in that to solve a tactical problem it creates a strategic problem. The tactical problem is this particular position. The strategic problem is the world turning against Israel for using chemical warfare.
Ah, i obv no nothing of chem warfare. Guess it's not stupid, just evil
Chemical weapons don't spread that far, the chances of Israelis bieng affected by this is minimal at best. Most chemicals weapons are heavier then air and like to stay in one spot, hence why they were so effective in countering trench warfare.
Only danger is if the wind changes direction, but still that doesn't pose much of a risk, and that can be prevented by having just a single competent meteorologist and chemical engineer on the dispersal team.
They are not concerned about getting those hostages back.
Not only are they not concerned, I would not be surprised if that was considered in their calculations. "We can kill hostages and then blame it on Hamas for the PR". Given their reluctance to accept freed hostage previously, that seems to be the case.
They might plan to blanket the area to kill as many as possible and claim Hamas necessitated it or even that the civilians were already dead, that they were all fighters who died against them or Hamas killed them. Whatever absurdity you like it's so ridiculous what they get away with. Or they could just deny the dead count as they've been doing so far, continue to isolate, cut off internet, take the bodies later and destroy them before any definitive evidence can be established.
This is so upsetting to watch and hear. I just feel so sick watching what I fear really is going to be a massacre. I hope the resistance is able to pull something off.
Have faith the resistance who has spent 17 years planning this tunnels studiously prepared for the possibility of nazis using gas.
I'm relieved to hear that. May they suffer a great humiliating defeat.
In the words of Abu Obeida "We tell the enemy who repeats his threats of a ground invasion every day that we are still waiting to make him taste new types (flavors) of death."
You can watch the whole 10 minute speech with English subtitles here
Army commanders generally maintained an attitude of secrecy regarding the employment of chemical weapons, something that the [Fascist] government officially denied throughout the [re]invasion and subsequent occupation of Ethiopia.^64^ Nonetheless, army war diaries reveal that commanders deployed mustard gas during 1936–1938 to trap insurgents by preventing them from escaping through the affected areas.
This did not always succeed, and combing operations sometimes were delayed while [Fascist] ground forces waited for the ‘toxic effects’ of the ‘bombardment’ to dissipate.^65^ Because chemical weapons were difficult to control and best used at a distance, collateral damage against non‐combatants was inevitable.
In some cases, civilians were included as legitimate targets. In his operations against Wondosson Kassa in 1936, Pirzio Biroli employed ‘asphyxiating gas of all types in areas where it is presumed that Wondosson has recruited men, without distinction between subjects and non‐subjects’.^66^
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I predict that Israel will eventually gas any tunnel they come across and the crazed jingoist on on the will defend it whole heartedly with no sense neither shame or hypocrisy.
It's inevitable at this point. Very soon they're going to use a chemical weapon and news of it will spread.
EDIT: I erroneously suspected that the source was trying to justify the use of such poison gas, not just detail the atrocity.
Al Mayadeen is resistance media, not cnn or phoney western left ngo trash. The second half has important value because even in spite of using chemical weapons these paper tigers cannot inflict strategic defeats against the Palestinian resistance. The Palestinians are not victims they are resisters each every one.
"Today all those who love the Palestinian Struggle realize that those who wish to diminish the magnitude of the achievements of the Al Aqsa Flood operation by talking exclusively about the massacres in Gaza are defeatists and worse than irrelevant." https://www.almayadeen.net/articles/لا-وقت-للبكاء--المقاومة-تنحر-نتنياهو-على-عتبة-الكنيست
My mistake, then.
I thought by the framing it was somehow trying to justify their use, not just detail the atrocity.
If you remember history, it's quite natural next step - introducing gas chambers to the concentration camp.
Content of this entire discussion aside, I'll be using IOF in all future correspondence.