Why?

If you're in the US, you should know this because if you want to apply for a passport, you'll be required to provide information about your parents such as birth dates and places. If you're divorced, you will have to provide the same info along with marriage and divorce date, even if it was decades ago. So if you have access to that info, make sure you record it somewhere safe for Future use.

If you're not in the US, you should know because this information can be difficult for people to get if they never knew one or both parents, or have a bad/non-relationship with them. Or if they had a contentious divorce or an abusive partner. Which is another reason why just leaving the country can be difficult for people who are already marginalized.

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[–] 62 points 8 months ago (4 children)

From an outsider's perspective, I think the USA and Russia should just have sex and get it over with.

We get it - you both love the military, you both hate minorities, you both want to restrict the rights and freedoms of your citizens.

Just get a room, get it out of your systems, and maybe the rest of the world can finally get some much-needed peace this year.

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    In fairness, there is a non-zero chance Trump has sucked off Putin already.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Nope.

    We just want Greenland sex.

    For some reason.

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Is this new? When I filed for my passport in ~2021 I didn't need that info.

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    [–] 19 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Also, if you're old like me (40+), your parents middle initials might not be on your birth certificate and they won't accept it. You'll have to go through getting a new birth certificate beforehand and run all around the city waiting in lines for an entire day. Ask me how I know.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm pretty sure I've gotten a passport in the USA before and never had to provide any of that information. Is this something new?

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Isn't this due to the US not having a working census database?

    Please correct me if I am wrong.

    From what I have heard, you need to bring bills with your address to prove where you live in some circumstances in the US.

    Here in Sweden, or any sane country, I simply use my personal number to identify myself, and bam, the requesting entity can find the info they need.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Thank you for clarifying this!

    The US badly needs a population database, however, I absolutely understand that with how the US government have abused and fooled their citizens in the past, there is a huge distrust of the government among Americans.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    Kind of

    The vast majority of the time we use our social security numbers as a personal ID number. Drivers licenses also will have unique numbers on them which you can query off of, so too do passports.

    By law, no one is required to have any of those three. People having a social security number is pretty common, but getting one of those is the easiest of the three.

    Because none of them are a legal requirement to be a citizen, each one has multiple document set requirements, and if you have the other two, the third is trivial to obtain.

    The documents you need if you're not leveraging another form of ID are basically a set of documents that aren't that difficult for your average person to get their own copies of but harder for some one else to forge and claim to be another person

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    The US government has the information, but there's no way for companies to sell you something if they used that data.

    It's the same with US taxes. The IRS knows exactly how much you owe them each year. As a citizen, you cannot access that information. You have to fill out needlessly complicated forms to guess the correct amount of money to send them. If you guess wrong you can go to jail or be fined. To prevent this, you pay a company to fill out those forms. They don't get access to the correct number either, but you can buy insurance from them so they'll pay for your lawyer to defend you if you guess wrong.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    The US is not only quit populous, our huge footprint and lack of government centralization causes a lot of stupid shit like using bills for proof of residence. Imagine tying 100s of thousands of databases together so the federal government can pull all info on a citizen.

    BTW, this is exactly what Palantir is accomplishing and we should be screaming about it.

    My wife had to sent utility bills with her name and our address on it to immigration to prove she didn't marry for the green card and we're actually living together. And don't start me on our immigration system, totally and purposefully broken.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Americans are not fans of centralized information on the population. It doesn't help that the corporate equivalent to Voldemort is trying to sell it as a means of "law and order". Something every American understands is meant to screw with us. Literally every time we give the government a new database they abuse it. The most recent is connecting a medical database to immigration enforcement.

    So yeah. If we could stop electing people under the motto, "The Cruelty Is The Point", then we could have nice things.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Struggled a bit because my grandparents raised me and they're dead. Not sure all that has to be prefect though. Divorce dates for example, how are they gonna check, call all 50 states and request records? If I can't readily determine where my grandparents were born, how would the federal government know?

    Anyway, this isn't new, and certainly not a Trump thing because I applied before Biden was out.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    It's not an automatic denial either though. You can N/A those sections if you don't have the information. They may ask you to fill out an extra form but if you're an adult they may also just accept it if everything else is okay. What you shouldn't do is lie on the form. So don't N/A something where you do have the information.

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    [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    All this info can probably be obtained through a country clerk / registrar depending on what you need to know.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    what county was your mother or father born in? just 1 out of 3143.

    hope your parents aren't dead and you can't ask them.

    good luck!

    /s

    point is, this information used to be used as a way to align an identity to an individual, however with the expansion of digital identity information making its way on the internet the mechanism is broken.

    I different method could and should be used.

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