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Dan Wang and Arthur Kroeber (“The Real China Model,” September/October 2025) convincingly detail the impressive industrial capacity China has built over the past few decades. But their analysis focuses on the results of China’s successful development while overlooking the political economy that made it possible: an authoritarian state based on unequal citizenship for migrants and the systematic extraction of surplus value created by workers. The “process knowledge” that Wang and Kroeber show China has relied on to grow and innovate wasn’t free. It came at an enormous social cost.

The authors’ prescription for how the United States can compete with China—that Washington should think in the same ways Beijing has—rests on a dangerous fallacy. The United States cannot replicate the outcomes of China’s development model without adopting its political system. China’s success is inseparable from the coercive power of its party-state. Emulating its strategy would require suppressing consumption, extending massive subsidies to businesses, accepting wasteful investments, and allowing the state to dictate how capital is used. The authors’ proposed reforms, such as expediting permitting, ignore how procedural safeguards can be essential tools to hold the state accountable and protect individual rights.

An effective strategy to establish an industrial ecosystem that works for the United States should leverage its foundational strengths: an open society, market competition, and universal citizenship. Rather than selectively copying China, U.S. policymakers should build on the American innovation ethos, its deep capital markets, and the manufacturing capacity of its allies. This approach is more likely to succeed because it aligns with core U.S. values of freedom, private property, and democracy.

"Let's just double down and do more of the same thing that hasn't worked and ignore the proven recipe for success."

The US has ideologically shackled itself to neoliberalism. Even as some in the US correctly identify how China has beaten them, the system is too entrenched to change in the ways that would be necessary for the US to course-correct and undo its mistakes.

They remain incapable of breaking out of a psychological prison of their own making, and there are too many capitalist interests invested in maintaining the system, even as this system has now turned counter-productive and is undermining the very basis of the power of American capital.

Global south countries who genuinely want to experience a rise similar to China's should take note because this part is correct:

China’s success is inseparable from the coercive power of its party-state. Emulating its strategy would require suppressing consumption, extending massive subsidies to businesses, accepting wasteful investments, and allowing the state to dictate how capital is used.

A state-led economy is the only way to break out of the neo-colonial underdevelopment trap. The liberal model is a dead end.

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[-] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Dan Wang and Arthur Kroeber (“The Real China Model,” September/October 2025) convincingly detail the impressive industrial capacity China has built over the past few decades. But their analysis focuses on the results of China’s successful development while overlooking the political economy that made it possible: an authoritarian state based on unequal citizenship for migrants and the systematic extraction of surplus value created by workers. The “process knowledge” that Wang and Kroeber show China has relied on to grow and innovate wasn’t free. It came at an enormous social cost.

It's because we were too nice. We cared too much for immigrants and overwhelmed with the freedoms.

So just going to double down on that fascism?

The tears are delicious.

[-] burlemarx@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 month ago

They are just using excuses to justify a fascist takeover. They are using this narrative of China being authoritarian to then justify their own authoritarianism. They don't want immigrants, they want third world slaves.

Most of the Chinese growth wasn't done by immigrants, it was done by their own workforce. Immigrants were invited to China and treated with privilege, earning the best salaries, and occupying the best positions. This is partly true even today, when China does not need to bring too many talents with technical expertise, since their industries and universities are already top tier. Immigrants still earn top salaries in international schools.

On the other hand, it's not like immigrants in the US have been treated fairly. There's a lot of propaganda of the US way of life prior to the 90s, and they like to maintain the narrative to blame (illegal) immigrants for taking over low income jobs and sometimes working similarly to slaves. The blame, however, will never be assigned to the endless profit seeking attitude of US capitalists. China forced no Western company to relocate their industrial plants to China or other countries.

[-] Envylike@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 month ago

The American joke economy is in shambles. Before you could at least hear a new flavour of bullshit every now and then like the "Tiananmen square massacre" or "free HK" and so on now it's just the same 3 "but at what cost", "China will collapse any minute now" and "we were too nice" being recycled into the oblivion.

[-] RedMace@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 month ago

Dan Wang recently gave an interview to a German rag of a newspaper. He talked about why China is so much ahead etc. (Wang studied in the US and went to a neolib think tank afterwards), how China builds bridges, parks, metro lines and so on. The German journalist literally asked "But at what cost?" And Wang started going into financial details. He was then asked the obvious "at what cost for freedom", but still, was funny to read.

[-] ComradeChris101@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago

"But at what cost!?!?!?!!?!?!?" They say, that's the question!!!! How dare you not give them the answer they want!!!!1111111

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 month ago

Pretty rich for a US based publication to bray about unequal citizenship for migrants and the systematic extraction of surplus value created by workers. 🤣

[-] GreatSquare@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 month ago

An effective strategy to establish an industrial ecosystem that works for the United States should leverage its foundational strengths: an open society, market competition, and universal citizenship.

Sarcasm warning:

"Yay. It's so open! And the innovation! You have to give capitalists MORE room to grow because they are being too stifled by the oppressive US government. They would industrialize but they are just being held back. Free the capitalists!"

The subtext seems to be advocating to suppress wages even more via immigration. As if wages were the issue holding back US industry. "Market competition" being a code for the wage market. "Open society" and "universal citizenship" being a code for immigrant workers.

Dumb shit basically. Ignoring the ecosystem aspect of needing a market to sell your industrial output to. The US originally deindustrialized because their domestic customers needed affordable manufactured goods. But their suppressed wages can only afford imported goods. So the industry left the US. Surpressing wages even further won't help.

[-] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 month ago

(Good post and analysis; thanks for the share)

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