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[-] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 months ago

Oh shit! The Nazi army is doing Nazi shit? I'm not sure I buy it.

[-] hateisreality@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

It's the goddamn American Nazi symbol

[-] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

The? As if there's only one?

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

The same one on Hegseth's boob?

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 3 points 2 months ago

The guys a giant boob. That doesn't narrow it down.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Don’t worry, it’s a fucking huge tattoo, it’s hard to miss.

[-] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

“American citizens allow their military to use white supremacist Jerusalem cross on its propaganda”

[-] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

oh no! i allowed them! it’s all my fault!
here let me just go stop the us military from running that twitter ad….

well shit, turns out they’ll just arrest me for that or shoot me as soon as i get within a mile of wherever they’re tweeting from.

[-] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

Better just roll over and take it then, eh? Coward.

[-] SparkyBauer44@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

When has the American public, or any country, had any say regarding the uniform in the military? Go ahead, us cowards will wait.

[-] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Revolutionary France. Civilians used community policing (backed by the threat of force) to force changes to the army uniform. There were activists in revolutionary cities openly confronting troops, checking their uniforms, and in some cases escalating to violence if soldiers didn’t display rhe blue/white/red cockade. Thy distributed pamphlets persuading people that wearing the revolutionary colors was a shorthand for allyship and after not too long the army basically had to adopt it as official or expect their troops to be harassed at best or attacked in the street at worst (Schama, 1989).

Other examples- civilian pressure successfully forcing the Iranian military to replace monarchist uniform insignia with Islamic iconography after the Shah fell in 1979, Chinese citizens physically attacking soldiers for displaying traditional insignia rather than (later-officially-adopted) Maoist symbols in the 1960s, civilian nationalist groups in Ghana forcing a redesign of military uniforms to remove British colonial styling….

Now move the goal posts. Do it.

[-] SparkyBauer44@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I don't have to. You sourced two very un-American militaries. But thanks for the information.

[-] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

“Or any country,” you asked. The fuck?

[-] SparkyBauer44@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Huh. I did. Look at that.

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[-] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

go back to reddit, troll

[-] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

It's literally tattooed on Hegseth. Are you at all surprised?

[-] Legianus@programming.dev 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think it is very weird to have that tattooed or on any military gear. Secularism and such, but that is the heraldry of the former Kingdom of Jerusalem. Albeit being the result of crusades, I don't think it is supremacist by itself?

Edit: Also the flag of the country of Georgia. Going by this, the US military either serves in the Georgian army as of recent or they confused theirs with the country again?

Edit#2: Quick wikipedia, also apparently still the symbol of the Latin patriarchate of Jerusalem nowadays

[-] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

Adoption by white supremacists

Because of the connotations of the Jerusalem cross as a symbol of Christian invasion of Muslim lands, and of Christian evangelism, the symbol has gained popularity with white supremacists in recent years.

ok it’s whack to use religious symbols in military ads but just because it “gained popularity” with white supremacists doesn’t make it a white supremacist symbol.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 months ago

Lol yeah just a run of the mill religious symbol...

You literally just said yourself that it was used while Christians genocided Muslims.

Even if it hadn't been adopted by white supremacists (it has), it would still be abhorrent.

You know that the swastika was a Hindu symbol before the Nazis adopted it, right? Is the swastika not a Nazi symbol?

[-] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Even if it hadn't been adopted by white supremacists (it has), it would still be abhorrent.

yes, it is abhorrent… it’s not, however, a white supremacist symbol.
“crusader” is a terrible term for the military to associate itself with… but definitely not as terrible as a white supremacist symbol.
white supremacists have also “adopted” wearing boots but i’m not going to call everyone wearing boots a white supremacist.

[-] minnism@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

So is the swastika a Nazi symbol or not?

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[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 months ago

where are you located? in my part of the world, in my corner of america, that is the white supremacist symbol. you don't often see people with it, but when you do it is a tattoo or morale patch on someone wearing other hate symbols. i assumed it was widely understood to be a white supremacist symbol in any context aside from displaying pride in Georgian national identity, so i'm learning new things today.

i still think though we can safely assume that for the people putting out this propaganda that who they're speaking to and for is racists

[-] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

in America, that’s not a very common symbol…
we don’t actually see a lot of white supremacists on the street though (they would get murked)

quite a few christian nationalists have adopted other crusader symbolism so i see it as a horrible, christian nationalist, invader/colonizer symbol… but i’ve never seen it associated with white supremacism…

my argument isn’t that it’s never used by white supremacists, it’s that it’s not an outright white supremacist symbol.
i’d call it a dog whistle, though.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

The irony of "Jerusalem" meaning "vision of peace"...

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