Sorry for the reddit-logo link but this isn't really picked up anywhere else. Predictably, the same disgusting people (referring to H3, Destiny, etc) who spread the dubious "Hasan shocked his dog" stuff don't care about this one, so it isn't all over the internet.

I'm not posting this to own everyone who said they like Hasan, but I do think it's an important thing to point out to any fans of his on this site that animal rights have always been a huge weak point for him. I'm a casual watcher who was tuning in for the China adventures, but im-vegan so after the Panda zoo and this, I'm out for good.

Horse racing is such an obviously gross and abusive sport to anyone with sight to see it, so it's annoying seeing how many people (though admittedly in collapsed comments) in his community just don't care at all. Beyond the comments there, but in his chat in real time any time animal rights or veganism are mentioned.

Tangentially related, but freeze-gamers here should recognize that gacha slop like Uma Musume also funds horse racing (the franchise is basically PR for the Japan Racing Association) and is only a small separation from betting at the track. It was obnoxious seeing the wave of people talking about it at launch and seeing it plastered all over gaming sites, Steam, etc. Most people probably don't think twice about it because horse girls in anime just 'makes sense' in a vacuum, but I want to bring more attention to the cruel industry by using that franchise and Hasan as a springboard.

Please educate your favorite streamer, celebrity, or whoever so they don't use their platforms to promote animal abuse.

Edit: lmao their mods locked the thread that was significantly more supportive of the idea that races are abuse.

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[–] 34 points 11 months ago

Tangentially related, but s here should recognize that gacha slop like Uma Musume also funds horse racing (the franchise is basically PR for the Japan Racing Association) and is only a small separation from betting at the track. It was obnoxious seeing the wave of people talking about it at launch and seeing it plastered all over gaming sites, Steam, etc. Most people probably don't think twice about it because horse girls in anime just 'makes sense' in a vacuum, but I want to bring more attention to the cruel industry by using that franchise and Hasan as a springboard.

Objectively true and you're right to say it.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Horse racing is a great test for basic decency.

    It's a "sport" where you watch horses get tortured to move quickly, and bet on which one you think will be the fastest. It is so obviously terrible and inhumane.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder what the appeal is. To me it feels like people can go to a horse track to feel a little boujie, there is a taboo thrill from gambling, there's the appeal that it's tolerated or expected even that you'll drink some alcohol. It serves as an event and a place to be seen. I've been dragged along as a kid once or twice and never wanted to go as an adult, it is almost an activity where even passively disliking it marks you for a buzzkill, let alone positively stating that it is animal abuse.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    If you really wanted to target this, an effective approach would be to start with jumps. Last year in British horse racing for example 80% of all horse deaths were in jump racing. 156 total deaths were jumps. You'd cut that down to 30-40 if you just banned jump racing.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Last year in British horse racing for example 80% of all horse deaths were in jump racing. 156 total deaths were jumps

    That's an order of magnitude more horse deaths than I would have guessed. That's fucked.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Jump racing is really really bad for the horses. Multiple horses die every year at the Grand National which has the biggest jumps. Very few people will disagree except tory shitters. Keep in mind, this is from a total of somewhere around 88,000 horses that participate in racing (combining both jump and flat) if i recall correctly. Flat still kills though through overexertion or falls, just nowhere near the same level, it's really easy to convince people that jump racing is not good.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    It all makes sense, I'm (.. surprised that I'm) surprised to learn how much worse it is than flat racing. I grew up next to a horse competition facility that had and still has quite large jump meets every weekend. Super unnecessary.

    Australia can't even comprehensively ban dog racing. One state's ban on the export of greyhounds for racing only comes into effect next year. Shits bleak.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I agree horse racing isn’t good, but also I’m not going to cancel someone for going once with friends. Some crit on it is appropriate of course, but also it’s important to keep it in greater context.

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

    I'm not 'canceling' anybody, I'm refusing to materially support them in any way beyond the minimal amount I was doing prior and letting people know in case it's also a red line for them. I'm not going to be posting about him every day like freaks were doing with the dog thing. But his reaction to people asking him not to go was to tell them to fuck off because he's familiar with equestrian sports and knows they're 'treated well'. It's part of a pattern of behavior going back several years to when he had a vegan video editor, Ostonox, trying to convince him he was being stubborn with his refusal to acknowledge animal rights are something even worth considering or talking about.

    EDIT: If he comes back and says he regrets it because he somehow genuinely didn't know, then whatever. But he's known for doubling down when criticized because he has a huge ego. Also, a streamer with his view count doing it and advertising it is different than a random person doing it.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    But he's known for doubling down when criticized because he has a huge ego. Also, a streamer with his view count[...]

    getting a shitload of constant illegitimate "criticism" makes it hard to notice legitimate and correct critique. Hasan in particular also has ongoing defamation campaigns from zionists, classic nazis, and disgraced former governors.

    Good luck getting him to notice or take in any legitimate critique under those circumstances. The only time i've seen anyone beyond a certain size do it was when FD Signifier talked to upstart youtube guy Deculturation.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    delete this now i'm warning you you're gonna have 50 comments from Hexbears going "ok so you're saying you hate Hasan Piker and think he should be fired out of a cannon??" or "you say you condemn horse racing but i see you previously have supported Palestine which has many horse racing tracks"

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    [–] 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    He's also a lil weird about women. Paused the video he was watching once to call Karoline Leavitt hot

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    ITT: because Hasan gets disingenuous criticism, there’s no point in genuinely critiquing him because he treats everyone with the same reactive attitude.

    Conclusion: that’s his problem, not mine. If he can’t help but lash out when people critique his lifestyle or the people he chooses to promote with his platform, that doesn’t mean that the left should stop critiquing him

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    [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    Conundrum: Hasan is still 70% bro, but sometimes says good things and does help pipeline libs.

    Discuss this forever.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I’m not very familiar with horse racing but is betting on it more morally repugnant than eating meat? I agree that animal rights are a weak point for Hasan. At least one of the restaurants he was at served foie gras to his party.

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  • [+] [S] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    not saying i view it this way but to your average person, horse races are completely normal. they think "horses go fast anyway may as well put money on it". they don't think that deeply about it. TONS of people bet on horses or think it's a normal thing. not saying i do or saying that's a good thing, but that it got normalized

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (18 children)

    Do you have the same criticism of China for hosting the horse racing?

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  • [+] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)
  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago* (9 children)

    Horse Racing is culturally significant to Hong Kong. I've noticed that it is culturally significant in Hong Kong films that I've watched.

    Hasan didn't go to Horse Racing because he wanted to win big or something. He went there because it is culturally significant to Hong Kong and he wanted to show westerners the real China. He streamed being at the Horse Race. It was his last day in China. He bet 1 time and won by coincidence.

    He also went to a Traditional Chinese Medicine doctor on another day. He said that he doesn't believe in Chinese Medicine and he was afraid to try it. He went to it because he wanted to show Chinese culture and the Doctor was very happy to host them.

    The post is written as if Hasan set up his own Horse Race Park. Gambling is a material relationship between 2 or more people. It doesn't make sense to only criticize 1 person.

    Zoo Pandas are also culturally significant to China. China owns the Pandas in zoos around the world through a leasing system. The OP criticizes Hasan for visiting Pandas at a Zoo. It makes me wonder if they are opposed China's Panda Diplomacy policy.

    It's not a trick question. They could just say "Yes" or "No".

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Why is it culturally significant?

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Starting horse races was basically the first thing the British did after colonizing Hong Kong. And for the first 70 years or so only colonizers were allowed in. Cultural relevants my ass.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago*

    I mean, it’s really only significant because the British colonizers introduced it. Beyond that it doesn’t actually have much importance in HK society. HK films only had it to appeal to Western audiences. This is a bit anecdotal but I come from a family of Hong Kong Chinese and I do not know anyone who ever engaged in Horse Racing while they lived there. If anything it was something almost exclusively enjoyed by White people until the late 20th century.

    Furthermore, there are plenty of other sports that are played and enjoyed by many Hong Kongers that don’t involve animal abuse: Golf, Tennis/ Badminton, Football, hell even Pool are quite popular there. The HK government earlier this year finished building a huge shiny stadium in Kai Tak that was designed for all sorts of sporting events besides Horse Racing. It was also recently used for this year’s China National Games, which HK co-hosted alongside Macao and Guangzhou. Why didn’t Hasan show any of that off instead?

    So, I think it’s a bit disingenuous to defer to “cultural significance” when criticizing an American-brained streamer for not being at least a bit sensitive to animal rights in a foreign country. I also don’t think OP was saying Panda diplomacy is wrong but is simply apprehensive to the idea of animals being caged in unnatural enclosures for entertainment. Yes zoos can abuse animals too and yes China has zoos, but so does every other country in the world.

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    [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Umamase or whatever the fuck that gacha game is called >>>>> horse racing

    mambo as the kids like to say

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    If only you could divorce the two. Instead you get Cygames and a bunch of uma cosplayers at Santa Anita betting on actual races

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Hasan, because of his public life and the absurd amount of pressure and hatred directed at him, is going to keep doing ideologically incongruous things and he's going to continue struggling very hard to change. He's human and an american and a lib and anyone living that sort of life would need an extremely strong sense of self and powerful defense mechanisms just to keep showing up every day. I don't think it's possible for him to process criticism and properly assess it against all the trolling and sealioning he has to endure.

    At a certain point it's counter productive to pick fights with him, just use the occasion of his transgression as a topical prompt to share educational stuff with people who consume his slop.

    Some things just aren't really worth trying to argue about IMO.I sincerely believe he shocked the dog.

    trollface

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Yeah, it's really up to his actual friend-group interactions - the people who know him as a person first. A smaller streamer might have a social relationship with their viewers and be meaningfully shaped by those interactions, but he has a vast and faceless audience. To an audience he's first and foremost a tool for their satisfaction, which here involves his political stance, and critique intended to make him change in this function is the critique of a machine that can simply be broken apart and reconstructed to cut sharper and woke harder.

    Like you say, better to focus on the audience themselves (though I guess there doesn't need to be a difference in the style of presentation of it - I doubt Hasan is going to read any of this, so it's all for the audience already).

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I read Donkey Kong at first and was wondering what the bit was.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    😔 thats a shame, I guess I gotta stop hyping cinderella grey smh.

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  • [–] [B] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I have a hard time accepting that horse racing and betting is still something people do, outside of England, Central Asia, and Louisville. Like riding a pennyfarthing or something with how outdated it feels.

    We have more modern pursuits nowadays, like betting on gladiators giving each other chronic traumatic encephalopathy.

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