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[–] 246 points 10 months ago (13 children)

And additional question: even if it was technically feasible, was it really ethical to surgically implant Hitler's cloned brained into the body of a silverback gorilla and make it fight against Tigerstalin?

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  • [–] 131 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Everybody's so concerned with preserving Hitler's brain. But when you put it into the body of a great white shark, ooh, suddenly you've gone too far.

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    [–] 154 points 10 months ago (36 children)

    Is there any value to analyzing his DNA? The idea that evil is genetic is itself feeding into some Nazi ideas about eugenics that are deeply wrong.

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  • [–] 49 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Maybe we want to clone Hitler but raise him to be antifa.

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  • [+] 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)
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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago

    Yeah to me that's the biggest objection... he's long dead, he has no surviving family that wants good for him to my knowledge. So to me that's kind of on the same level as, digging up mummies. The evil actions he commited in life don't really come into play here, and agreed it's really stupid idea to think that his behavior is genetic.

    Kind of reminds me of when most of the nazi generals swore to have no kids to not carry on their DNA, except one, who said "No I won't sign that pledge, that's eugenics which is nazi ideology".

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I don't think this is about "is evil genetic." The first psragraph of the article states it's about his underlying health conditions. Which I think is absolutely worth studying, if it means spotting the early warning signs and intervening before another person ends up like Hitler.

    But then I remember the world we live in and realize it's probably not at all going to end up like that. So who knows? But they're definitely not going to find "the Evil Gene."

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    The "underlying health conditions" they mention are a possible predisposition for schizophrenia, autism, bipolar disorder, and kallman syndrome. Things that most certainly do not create hilters, and if it's being argued by anyone that they may then it is indeed apologia for fascist ideology. The thing that actually does create hitlers.

    I think that his genetics might somewhat illuminate or inform historical events, but having it out there in our media environment just begs to have it abused and misconstrued by the wrong people for the wrong reasons.

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    [–] 63 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I find it curious that they talk about privacy for Hitler but don't mention Henrietta Lacks who this very thing happened to. Her cell cultures are being used to this day.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks

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  • [–] 48 points 10 months ago

    Does this neolithic prehuman have a right to privacy? If they can't give consent, what does it say about this project?

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    For fuck sake.... Genetists needs to read some social science. What is all with this making Hitler the biggest reason for the existence of Nazism and the occurrence of the Holocaust? This is why people believe that you can beat fascism with a vote, as if it is a leadership problem and not a complete social movement and social transformation problem

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    [–] 25 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    If it turns out Hitler had some bad genes his relatives' descendants will get a bad name. This is obviously a joke, but it's actually true as well. They've all distanced themselves from the name Hitler, but surely some people know about their relation to Adolf. I guess the questions is: how bad is it when you're grandfathers half-brother or whatever his DNA is public. There is a legitimate privacy concern there, that shouldn't be too easily dismissed because 'haha hitler & privacy'.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    the question if you need relatives consent to make your dna public is interesting. I have my opinions, but the question of an historical dead figure has rights to privacy is another.

    However, seeing if there's an "evil" gene is both cartoonishly naive and smells of eugenics. Hitler would have approved said study.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    His relatives actually decided to not have children collectively afaik.

    They appeared to be fairly nice chaps - a friend of mine interviewed one of them 20 years ago for a uni research project.

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    [–] 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The whole study is weird. Do they think there is a correlation between his DNA and the horrible acts he did? Are we going to start rounding up anyone with that genetic marker? Put them in camps?

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    [–] 20 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    He's been dead for 80 years, that's plenty long enough for anyone's feelings to not matter.

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    [–] 18 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Does Tutankhamun's DNA need consent?

    Disregarding the fact that he was evil, Im not sure historical figures qualify for the same rights as we average people do. I think at most, we should respect what they respected, and Hitler did not respect privacy, so get fucked nazi, your DNA is ours.

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    [–] 16 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I think that's an easy one: Hitler is dead and, as far as I know, never had any direct descendants or relatives that could object on valid reasons.

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    [+] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Nazism is when no sex? Great study. Anything negative or positive they can find changes nothing, is pure bullshit.

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  • [+] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    There's an obsession with painting Hitler as a unique figure whose rise to power and fascist crimes were the result of a confluence of personality disorders, family history, his experiences in WW1. It's mainly a liberal thing because they really need the history of fascism to be the history of singular evil figures, rather than the result of imperialist capitalism eating itself. It would be very useful for the liberal world order to place blame on genetics or individual psychology for the machinations of history. Rather than the consequences of things like economic conditions, imperialism, class struggle, etc

    So yeah you've got it right. For the longest time blame was placed on Hitler's supposedly hypnotizing public speaking skills. I guess now extrapolating his gene sequence is supposed to shed light on if being evil or fascist is hereditary, which itself sounds like eugenics

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    What a pointless question. There's literally nothing we could hope to learn from examining his specific DNA.

    This is like how some scientist stole Einstein's brain to see what made him so smart and didn't find anything. Pointless.

    The fact that this is being used as an argument against right to privacy is an ad absurdum strawman.

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    [–] 13 points 10 months ago (22 children)

    Why are we even talking about Hitler's DNA? Out of all the news why this. We are seriously weird.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

    There have also been raised eyebrows at the very name of the documentary, especially the second part: Blueprint of a Dictator.

    Prof King said it wasn't a name she would have chosen, and historian Prof Thomas Weber, who is featured in the programme, told the BBC he was surprised at the title, given they had stressed there is "no dictator gene".

    "We should do whatever we can to understand past extremism," Prof Weber believes.

    did the dictator gene infect 12 million german army, ignoring volunteer corps in all of europe as well? smh, some twerp will clone hitler probably in not so distant future.

    p.s. there is something deeply ironic in trying to trace hitler's shit (or jewishness) to dna though, good bit.

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    [–] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Do dead people have rights? 🤔

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    [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    or his descendants

    this is a stupid question even removed from the hitler conundrum. love to say "no, fuck off" my whole life until they can track down a twice removed cousin failson to say "he didn't mean it like that" after I croak

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    According to the GOP, since the dead pay no taxes to America, they have no rights.

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    [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    No but not because he deserves privacy but because some freaks would try to clone him.

    And what else are you going to do with that information anyway? Some anti-Hitler eugenics? That's the worst take on that history I've seen recently.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    If he has any offspring or family, even those that disavowed what he was and did but couldn’t stop him, his DNA has privacy implications for them.

    That’s why shit like 23andme is extra bad. All it takes is like one relative per couple branches and they could probably build a copy of anyone’s DNA.

    Now there’s a database that psychotic world leaders can use for “purification research”. But surely nothing will go wrong guys, that’s just science fiction.

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    [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Who is harmed by this? No one living. Maybe you could argue Hitler has some right to not have his remains disturbed, but DNA testing isn't very invasive and we do it at crime scenes without consent all the time, so it's minor even if relevant.

    What could we learn? Nothing of value. Even if there is some "psychopath gene" or "genocide gene" you'd need 100s of examples to show the effect and far easier to just pick such candidates from living, diagnosed people who can consent.

    So then should we do it? Probs not. No real reason to, even though there's little reason not to.

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    [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I know my institution wouldn't allow this without informed consent from himself pre-death or legally responsible family members. Plus you have to be able to withdraw consent at any time and we have to destroy all data, including sequencing analysis, upon request. Not sure how that affects published data but we'd have to strip it out of any data repositories the publications may point to as well.

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