Yeah but using :LIB: as an insult establishes that liberal =/= left

Unfortunately, “liberalism” also includes support of individual rights, civil liberties, equality, and democracy.

Honestly not sure if this is a bit or a poor deluded fool who seriously thinks this.

I understand this because part of my genesis years ago included defending Bill Gates and his charities, and people started calling me a dumb lib.

I was there, once. But at some point you need to understand how Philanthropy, in the larger sense, is all about PR and control. Not really about helping people in any structural fashion.

Gates derives his expansive wealth from his ability to collect and enforce rents, while underpaying his workers. His charities gain leverage over democratic governments, trading "free" stuff for influence over domestic policy. Even setting aside whether Gates himself is benevolent, the means by which he wields them is harmful.

But liberals love this shit because they support the underlying corrupt system of capitalism. They don't begrudge Gates his ability to extract rents, nor lowball his staff, nor the damage his hyper-litigious firm has inflicted on the Open Source movement.

Libs are Bad precisely because they treat guys like Gates as benevolent (or at least benign) even when presented with the harm he's perpetually engaged in.

ok lib

:LIB:

Counterpoint: no