Eh. This depends on the job being done. In my field of work the only thing that matters is that you get the job done. What office hours you keep are not very important. On the other hand, my friend works shift work where he has to replace someone directing a process (think air traffic control). Being 10 minutes late is a dick move because you are forcing the person you are replacing to stay longer at the end of a shift.

Betty can show up ‘on time’ and spend 40 min making coffee and shit talking with her neighbors, but I show up 10 min late and start working right away but I’m the bad employee somehow.

I can see it mattering if it's shift work and someone else has to stay late. If it's office work? Nah. Doesn't matter.

Stay late 10 minutes: that's as good as leaving on time. I can't be expected to pay you more.

Arrive 10 minutes late: how could you? 10 minutes of my time is an eternity!

Keep pretending to pay a fair wage and I'll pretend to give a shit about being on time.

You ever ran late to a college class because you had to stay longer than scheduled at your shitty retail job to cover your perpetually late coworker who was supposed to relieve you?

Sometimes running 10 minutes late is no big deal, but sometimes it is. It becomes a problem the moment it causes someone else problems.

Really depends what you are 10 minutes late for. A meeting with other participants, ok if your role is to sit and listen. Not OK if people are waiting for you to start. It's not OK to be late to relieve a co worker either

10 mins late to an office job where they get their 10m back, AOK.

10 mins late to cashier/sales gig where you're relieving someone else, not great.

10 mins late to a meeting is bad

10 mins late to class is bad.

Like most statements about work, it really depends on the job.

For shift work without overlapping shifts, being late keeps someone else on duty after their shift is up.

But if you're working an office gig and your work is getting done, it's fine. There's a reason I don't schedule any meetings within an hour of the start or end of the day.

If you have a meeting first thing, don't.

Do they minder if i stay longer? No? Then why complain when I'm late?

Its about the whole picture, am I always late? Is my work done on time and well executed ?

If so... WHO CARES ABOUT THE TIME OR PLACE I DO THAT WORK IN????

So many well-intentioned posts in here are licking the boot. Traffic happens. IBS happens. Children emergencies happen. The company should shoulder the cost of contingencies to account for natural human fluctuation. If the job is mission critical, why are you demanding humans be robots?

It definitely depends on the job. I work in TV and live events. If your late you either miss the pre production meeting, or we all have to wait for you to start. If your later than that you are holding the team up and making people work harder to be ready by on-air time.

I recently did an essay on intergenerational work ethics for uni this semester. Basically, every generation except for Boomers don't care about being on time when compared to giving quality output.

Gen X reporting.

Be like Gandalf. Fuck all that other noise.

My job doesn't care if I'm late, and my productivity has not changed

I have worked jobs that would dock you 15 minutes if you clocked in even 1 minute late, as a result everyone was always 15 minutes late. If you aren't getting paid then you shouldn't be working either. It's stupid policies that lead to this sort of thing, don't blame the employees for the dumb shit admin does.

Unless it's shift work, yeah. What's the problem otherwise?

Bosses seem to think being on time means being 15 minutes early.

Thoses bosses can go right to hell. You want me working 15 minutes early, you better begin paying me 15 minutes early. I'm not your friend. We have a transaction going between us; I provide specific work between a specific period of time, and you give me money.

Honestly, if I get the job done and do it to spec, managers can shut the fuck up.

Mid-millenial, elder millennial for a boss. Start time within half an hour of listed time is accepted practice. Things get done on time, nobody complains about staying ten or fifteen extra to properly wrap up a task. It's very refreshing after years of the boomer song and dance.

Is this post serious or just making shit up? Ive never heard anyone claim that 10 minutes late is on time. Late and on time are mutually exclusive words. Whether your work punishes it or not is a different question, im permitted to be 5 minutes late and it counts as on time for example.

This seems more like a post designed to piss people off and make them fight over a position noone had before reading it.

There is nothing that can happen at my job that, if not done quickly, will have a real negative impact on a human being. This does not stop my coworkers from acting like the sky is falling if something is delayed by a few days.

It is, lmao

The same amount of work gets done

But if we accept that explanation, then we also have to accept that people don't work the majority of their workday

I wasn't going to do anything productive in that first 10 minutes anyway, so...

I just have unmedicated adhd and poor time management, i'm 10 minutes late for everything, i'll be late to my own funeral, I'm a millenial or whatever

Depends on the job

This is cultural appropriation of italian culture