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[–] 119 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

Honestly it's a little staggering how much better web video got after the W3C got fed up with Flash and RealPlayer and finally implemented some more efficient video and native video player standards.

<video> was a revolution.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I remember, that was a dramatic change.

    Also, most people now dont remember this, but YouTube was initially popular because their flash video player was efficient, worked acrossed many different system configurations and browsers and dynamically changed resolution to match your connection.

    At that point you had some people with broadband connections and a lot more with dial-up. So often dial-up users would not be able to watch videos because they were only available in one resolution.

    YT had 144p (or less!) videos ready for dial-up users and higher resolution videos for broadband users and it automatically picked the appropriate video for the client. This made it so most people (dial-up users) would look to YT first, because you knew that YT would have a video that you could actually watch.

    Then Google bought them.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    YouTube blew up the year I went to college and got access to a T3 line. 🀀 My school had pretty robust security, but it was policy-based. Turns out, if you are on Linux and can't run the middleware, it would just go "oh you must be a printer, c'mon in!"

    I crashed the entire network twice, so I fished a computer out of the trash in my parents' neighborhood, put Arch and rtorrrent on it, and would just pipe my traffic via SSH to that machine. :p

    Ah, and the short era of iTunes music sharing... Good memories.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, my high school had a computer lab donated by Cisco to teach their CCNA course. There were like 2 students taking the class and 25 PCs, so we setup one to run WinMX, Kazaa and eDonkey.

    They all had CD-RW drives. We were minting music and movie CDs (divx encoded SD movies were under 650MB so they would fit on a CD), and selling them on campus for $3-5. You could get a 100 blank cd-rs for around $40, so it was very profitable.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh man, I was like a kid in a candy shop when I got my hands on Flash 4... built quite a few sites with it.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My unpopular opinion is that Flash was perhaps one of the greatest media standards of all time. Think about it β€” in 2002, people were packaging entire 15 minute animations with full audio and imagery, all encapsulated in a single file that could play in any browser, for under 10mb each. Not to mention, it was one of the earliest formats to support streaming. It used vectors for art, which meant that a SWF file would look just as good today on a 4k screen as it did in 2002.

    It only became awful once we started forcing it to be stuff it didn't need to be, like a Web design platform, or a common platform for applets. This introduced more and more advanced versions of scripting that continually introduced new vulnerabilities.

    It was a beautiful way to spread culture back when the fastest Internet anyone could get was 1 MB/sec.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is that good or bad? What cpu? How big is the screen? What encoding?

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  • [–] [S] 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    It's a Framework with 11th gen Intel i5. I've never seen it below 11W while doing this. I don't recall the exact number I got in Debian 12 but I think it was in the 11-13W range. The numbers were similar with Ubuntu LTS which I used till about a year ago. Now I see 9-10W. The screen is 3:2 13". Not sure about the enconding but I have GPU decoding working in Firefox.

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  • It's a youtube video so whatever youtube is these days. I tested with this M1 Macbook Pro and it was using about 7 watts so 3 watts more is pretty good for pretty much anything. I think my 12th Gen. laptop typically draws about 13-15 doing the same thing, but with a much dimmer screen.

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    [–] 51 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Obligatory: "Use Debian instead of Ubuntu. It's basically Ubuntu without Snap."

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Mostly yes but there are functional differences in convenience. For example the standard upgrade process is completely manual. You have to disable third party repos. You have to change the repos. You have to check if you have space. You have to remove obsolete oackages. And more. On Ubuntu, the software update tool does all that, eliminating a lot of possibility for error. To an exoerienced user, the Debian process is fine. A novice would have plenty of opportunity for frustration and pain.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What? Software Center is GNOME, not Ubuntu. Discover is KDE, not Ubuntu. Debian updates can be done the same way? I don't do any of the things you mention. Using SC or just apt upgrade works just fine.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They're talking about a Debian 12 -> Debian 13 upgrade

    On Debian, you get release notes on what commands to run.

    Ubuntu has their own software update utility, separate from Software Center or Discover, that runs the commands for you

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ahhh OK. I've always gone fresh for a full upgrade. But does apt dist-upgrade not work? That's what the docs say to do.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You have to at least modify your sources.list.d manually first. For most people, updating sources.list.d and running full-upgrade will probably work fine...

    The full instructions are

    1. run dist-upgrade
    2. remove back ports
    3. remove obsolete packages
    4. remove non-debian packages
    5. clean up old configuration files
    6. add non-free-firmware (this is a 12 -> 13 specific)
    7. remove proposed updates
    8. disable pinning
    9. update sources.list.d to point to the next release
    10. apt upgrade --without-new-packages
    11. apt full-upgrade

    It takes like an hour? but it's still not "just press okay."

    Ubuntu's has broken on some upgrades for friends and they had to do the whole Debian process manually, but it does try to automate the removals, disablements, and updating sources

    Edit: instructions taken from Trixie release. I skipped some that aren't really unique, like make a backup

    https://www.debian.org/releases/trixie/release-notes/upgrading.en.html

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It has much slower release cycle and ancient kernel. For people with new hardware it's not suitable.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is why Backports exists. You can get any newer packages or kernels you need by enabling it.

    And Ubuntu LTS doesn't go much farther ahead than base Debian.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    At that point why not just run a rolling release? Debians whole selling point is stability which backports kinda ruins.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I would argue that backporting one package does not ruin everything. If you backport a lot of stuff, then I would agree that it changing distrio to something more up-to-date should be considered because of the increase of potential problems.

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 1 year ago

    It fluctuated between 8.8W and 10.3W.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Your entire backlight is only 3w? I feel like my phone is over 3w.

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  • You can use the Wattz app to monitor current/power flowing into/out of the battery on some Android phones. Yes, 3 W is about the average in normal use. Unfortunately you cannot gauge the power consumption while charging unless you have a USB wattmeter too: the system only measures battery current because it's required for battery capacity/percentages.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Me with an older notebook that doesn't support av1 decoding: 😭

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I wish there were more M.2 cards beyond just SSDs and wireless NICs. The idea of a small form factor PICe interface is underutilized and things like hardware codec accelerators can keep laptops with older processors usable with new standards for longer. It's sad how PCMCIA had an entire ecosystem of expansion cards yet we somehow decided that the much higher bandwidth M.2 is only for storage and networking. Hell, do what sound cards in the 90s/00s did and have M.2 SSDs specifically designed for upgrading older laptops that also have built in accelerators for the latest media standards. Hardware acceleration is energy efficient and can probably just be bundled into the flash controller like they're bundled into the processor, and unless you have a top of the line SSD you're probably not saturating the M.2 interface anyway.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I've seen 10-12W easily on 4K for soc without av1. your soc (intel 11 gen) should support av1. try to play the video on mpv (with yt-dlp integration) with various hw acceleration options to see if it changes. probably your browser is software decoding.

    for hardware decoding supported soc too I noticed 2-3W of extra power usage when playing youtube from website compared to mpv or freetube. the website seems doing inefficient js stuffs but I haven't profiled it.

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    [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What command do you use to see the Watt used?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    That's very good, audio could do with some work

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What cpu architecture is this?

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    ngl I expected to be ARM cause of the low power usage.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    AMD has been proving that x86_64 can be at least as power efficient as ARM over the last few years (given a floor of performance for like a phone/laptop... I doubt it can get as low power as a little ARM microcontroller)

    It seems like x86 was getting so power hungry because of Intel's laser focus on single core performance

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    My phone uses like 30 on idle 🫠

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