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submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

We love to praise linux constantly and tell everyone to change to it (they should) but what are your biggest annoyances ?

Mine would be, installing software (made even more complex by flatpaks being added, among the 5 other ways there already were to install software) and probably wifi power management issues.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Oh! Came up with a new one, though it’s more of a unixism than a Linux specific thing.

I really wish that the core utils and other cli tools had a standard structured output option, like yaml, json, or toml so that it would be easier to parse rather than all of the random regular expressions needed when piping output around.

Edit: And it would be great if we also picked that same format for config files instead of all the bespoke stuff in /etc.

[-] [email protected] 85 points 1 week ago
  • audio - Most of the time it works, but there have been plenty of times that after an install, I have to go in and make a handfull of changes to get it working.

  • "you are using it wrong" developers - Lookin at you, Gnome, Mozilla and Pottering. Yes, you are donating your time, and I appreciate that, but don't be dismissive of people if they bring up valid issues. If you just don't want to fix problems, that's fine, but just be honest about that, instead of blaming the user.

  • sleep/hibernate - I've never depended on sleep or hibernate to work properly. I gave up on that years ago, and whenever I come back and try it again, I remember why I gave it up.

  • documentation - As a seasoned linux person, I love man-pages, but they are soooooo obtuse and hard to parse for newbies. I also hate it when the website has mountains of documentation, but they couldn't be bothered to put that into the man-pages.

  • video/wifi drivers - Yes, I know that this is mostly a problem because of the manufacturers. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.

  • unsympathetic users - Just because it works for you, doesn't mean it works for other people. I can't wait for year-of-the-linux-desktop, but it just isn't there yet. As soon as you have to tell a non-tech to open a terminal, the vast majority of them are out. You and I know that 'editing /etc/somedir/somefile and running /usr/sbin/somecommand' is easy, but sooooo many of them don't know what that means, nor will they care. I hear that windows is pretty bad nowadays, but people will often stick with the devil they know.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

Last point is the most important in my opinion

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Great summary! Longtime Linux users and tech people in general tend to forget what it's like to be a layperson, and take for granted all the skills it takes to daily drive Linux without trouble.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

The audio stack is just just a nightmare, it's not even funny. Sometimes, at random, when my PC boots, it will output white noise at full volume through my headphones. The is fine if I turned it on and went to get something, make a coffee, whatever. I can still hear it in the other room though. If I'm sitting at my PC and I was just rebooting, wearing the headphones: that isn't ok. It damn near blows my eardrums out when it happens.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

The unsympathetic/pedantic users and obtuse man pages are why I've abandoned Linux attempts in the past. The reason I am trying to move to Linux now, isn't because those were fixed. It's because windows is becoming the more annoying option. I've prevented my computer from updating win 10 until I can leave the platform. But I'm not looking forward to dealing with Linux frustrations. Especially the fucking users. I hate asking Linux people for help. 95% chance I just get a pedantic dickwad.

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[-] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago

The community's general overestimation of the average person's tech capabilities.

Not necessarily fair to pin this on Linux per se, but there's hardware that doesn't work well or at all still and alternative solutions still aren't there. So this would be mostly on companies making software for Windows but not for Linux, but it's still part of the Linux experience that I do not enjoy.

I have to troubleshoot things on Linux more than I did on Windows.

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago

Terrible documentation that is written assuming far too much prior knowledge.

I'm pretty technologically literate but just don't have a lot of experience with Linux, in the last year of trying properly to switch over the most frustrating part is trying to fix problems or follow peoples "guides" to various things. There is plenty of information out there for sure but when I have to keep looking up a string of things to try and get to my desired end result then the original documentation I'm trying to follow is not adequate.

I can only imagine what it might be like for users who are less inclined to learn about this stuff and just want to use it / solve a problem.

I think that a lot can be said for well written documentation that describes necessary processes to get a desired result in a way that everyone can follow regardless of their prior experience or knowledge.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

When I first got into tech, one of the first things I noticed was how deep the knowledge base was, layers upon layers of knowledge dependencies, and how poorly tech people explained things.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

I remember learning about how to write clear, easy to follow manuals in IT classes when I was 13 in the late 90s. What ever happened to that skill, did it die along with physical manuals?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

I think just the phrase "IT classes when I was 13" is enough to convey just how far outside the norm your experience was.

I have a CS degree from a top-10 university, and they taught me approximately fuck-all about writing good documentation. There was only one course on technical writing, and I don't remember it being very rigorous or difficult.

If anything, what few writing requirements we had in the rest of the curriculum were typically more similar to academic research papers than user manuals.

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

When I was running a Linux distro regularly (1995-2015), audio output would break every couple of upgrades.

It was frustrating, because I was pretty happy with the rest of the OS.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

After switching my gaming PC from Win 11 to Linux Mint earlier this year, audio is the only thing I consistently have issues with. I have the PC connected to my living room TV via HDMI via an Onkyo AVR. I have pipewire installed (correctly, I think).

Whenever audio starts, there's a couple second delay before I can hear it. Haven't been able to solve that so I just live with it.

The more annoying thing is after an update earlier this week, the audio output is now defaulting to "Dummy Output" instead of HDMI. I have to manually switch it via pipewire. It randomly switches back and I haven't figured it out either.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Ironically, it's only gotten better since 2015ish. For the most part I've used pulseaudio like most others, but I've also used jackd when I need to do audio stuff. After pipewire became usable it's more or less flawless for me.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

I don't like LibreOffice as the only open source Office software that seems to compete with Microsoft. It feels bloated and outdated and for years and years I have display problems with it. The community answers to problems are often written by arrogant pricks.

However, at the pace Microsoft Office is deteriorating with all that copilot crap LibreOffice begins to look better every day. They don't even have to do anything for it.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Have you tried OnlyOffice?

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

Suspend/sleep. I bought a specific laptop so it works, but these manufacturers need to let our developers know what the fuck is going on in the hardware

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Snap. The very existence of it.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

The fact that there is NO agreed single package standard across distros.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

I recently began hating devices and how each distro does it slightly differently. /dev is the worst. I plug in a usb, look for it under /dev/usb, not there, oh it's /dev/serial I suppose that makes sense. Plug in a different usb, not in either, no by-path or by-id, oh, I can only find it by the bus... but that path changes each time I plug it in, and that's the only place I can find it. Permissions are black magic on devices. I've been root and can't open a cdrom, get permission denied. Other times I can give a user 777 and it seems like they have it all, but still can't open that drive. Everytime I reboot my coral usb changes bus paths and breaks my frigate docker, but I can't find any stable path to it. Fought for days trying to get proxmox to forward a cdrom drive to a container then a vm. Went through half a dozen tutorials and threads of people getting it working and I couldn't. Spin up my laptop and do it bare metal, and STILL can't get it to work. VLC can play the disk just fine, but not the docker container. Switch to ubuntu instead of my arch distro, and boom everything works.... most of the time. Other times I have to do a ritual of removing the database, logs, reboot, start the container, unplug usb, plug in usb, and then it works.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Flatpaks apps & their runtimes is taking 20 gb, was 80 gb before I realize it and start cleaning up. That's annoying. But I also like Flatpak. I may just prioritize DNF first (I'm on Fedora) to minimize Flatpak bloats.

60 gb is very significant for me being in 256 gb ssd.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago
  1. The lack of a universal application installation method which 98% of developers use. Windows has .exe and it makes it so much easier for developers to release one application which is dead simple for users to install. No instruction manual with different methods per distro. Just double click. This results in less support for Linux in general. Fewer games and applications an drivers with fewer features.

  2. Poor backwards compatibility. Yes it results in bloat, but it also makes it much cheaper to develop for and maintain applications, and this results in more developers for Windows. More hardware and driver support. More applications. More games.

It is no mystery to me why developers don't focus more on Linux support. It's more expensive. They tell us this. What is so frustrating is that Linux fans are so quick to blame developers instead of focusing inwards and making Linux a more supportive platform for said developers.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Games that just open on Windows require extra work to play on Linux. Sometimes it's just a few extra clicks, sometimes it takes a whole afternoon to figure it out, especially if you're like me and not very experienced with Linux.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sleep seems to work nine times out of ten.
In that 1 time it hangs when resuming, so the computer is on but in a zombie state where it doesn't do anything (won't even power on USB devices).
Maybe my motherboard just sucks tho.

Also someone pretty please with a cherry on top make a VNC or RDP server that works on Plasma Wayland, I'm so sick of using Sunshine+Moonlight, it just isn't built for non-gaming usecases at all

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

You want to do some cool thing and you find instructions online.

But that shit only works when t every single aspect of the s is the exact same version.

Which will never be the case, so now you’re at co desperately trying to improvise the steps that, if you inherently knew how to do, you wouldn’t have needed instructions for in the first place.

[-] Quibblekrust 11 points 1 week ago

Having to install apps manually and figure out dependencies myself because a popular piece of software only officially supports Ubuntu and Debian. No normal human would ever do this. They would go back to Windows. Hell, I still haven't even gotten one piece of software to work on my new OpenSUSE system yet: Beyond Compare 4. There's no flatpack for it. The RPM test says all dependencies are satisfied, but when I run the program, nothing happens. I did some web searching, but I haven't dug too deep yet.

Why are there so many package managers with such different syntaxes? And why does one repo maintainer decide to call it "package" and another calls it "package4"? Or some entirely different name! It's maddening. I've had to create empty proxy packages that translate package names just to install some RPM file. Again, the average person is not going to do this.

In KDE plasma, the first thing most people do is set up Wi-Fi on their computer, but you need to set up KWallet first or else the password gets stored in some other dimension. I accidentally typed my Wi-Fi password wrong, and I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to clear it out and make it ask me for the proper password when I try to connect. I even went into network manager and switched the network to say, "ask me every time". It wouldn't! It would just sit there and hang on "authenticating". I never did figure it out. I ended up forgetting to encrypt my system partition, so I simply reinstalled the OS.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

The communal infighting.

Why has Wayland taken more than a decade to get to a somewhat acceptable state, but still lacking standardization?

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

The norms on where files belong are really dumb.

Similarly, programs being entitled to strew files all over kingdom come.

Ten different ways to install software and maybe one or two of them actually keep track of where all the files are and clean them up properly upon removal.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ubuntu and GNOME

I'll be nice in case the developers are reading.

I just think they're both pretty misguided in their goals.

Ubuntu used to be Debian plus your laptop's Wi-Fi works out of the box. The hardware support has improved and now Debian in 2025 is better than Ubuntu, plus Debian never shows you terminal ads or prompts you to snap install something that obviously isn't going to run well inside the default Snap sandbox.

I wouldn't recommend Ubuntu to any new users now. I'd sit and install Debian stable with them, and if something is missing, I'd try Debian unstable or the proprietary repos.

No offense to on-the-ground Ubuntu devs, but Ubuntu really feels like Debian plus a billionaire's desire to make money reselling Debian.

GNOME... Wants the desktop to look like a phone. Got rid of the system tray and then you have to do a little dance t re-install it. I don't know why. I've had useful stuff in the system tray since Windows XP.

I think GNOME might have also spearheaded the trend of ruining SEO and documentation by naming apps what they do instead of with real names? Like "Movie player" or "Web Browser". I don't know if they did any studies or if it helps new users but it's real weird for advanced users. Most people know that "Chrome" is a brand of web browser, so why would you name your web browser "Web Browser" and make things weird? I like KDE's thinking. Pick a name and wedge a K into it. And then make an anime furry its mascot. Can't beat that!

There was a conspiracy theory years ago, because someone from Microsoft was making decisions at GNOME, that GNOME was going to be eaten inside-out by MS, like Nokia was. They were rolling .NET Mono stuff and some kind of object model... I don't think it got far but I don't care. I switched to xfce on my desktop and KDE looks great on the Steam Deck and laptop. KDE used to be heavy, but hardware got bigger.

I actually love the package managers on Linux. Apt would be better if you could install multiple versions side-by-side, but I get why that's hard. Whenever I use Windows it's like, gross, I have to use MSIs again? I can't just apt install git curl wget screen lua? And on macOS I can install brew but a lot of apps use that funny pattern where you drag it into the Applications folder, and then you must remember to unmount the disk image, and also some apps aren't in the Applications folder.

I actually love systemd and everyone can fight me on this. Systemd is really nice.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Sometimes I dislike how most distros are against proprietary and closed source code. But then I remember all of the money those companies are making off of war, genocide, and slavery and I feel better about it.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Not a Linux thing directly but something that bothers me a lot: The complete lack of support from professional applications.
Wanna use this tool that cost hundreds of bucks on Linux? Lmao fuck you.
You’d think companies that actually make money could afford to support Linux and hobbyists doing FOSS stuff for funsies can only focus on the OS they use themselves but somehow we live in a world where the opposite is true.

This is what makes switching to Linux for me personally and probably a lot of other people completely unviable because it means having to give up on thousands of dollars of stuff for “freedom”.

And the onus is 100% on the companies developing software. They have to offer Linux versions first, so people can switch to Linux, giving them more Linux users. Doesn’t work the other way around.

Oh also psst don’t ever mention spending money on proprietary software around Linux people, they will have a heart attack.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

All the different window top bars/UI elements not lining up.. especially for stuff that has nothing up there.. extra annoying when disabling window decorations don't disable them

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

vendor support

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It is not Linux itself but:

  • I dislike when something goes wrong with a program and the documentation is not clear on how to fix it. But I do not complain because it is understandable when developers write documentation they have to choose who's hand to hold, if they choose to help everyone then the documentation can get long and perhaps redundant.

  • When one is a beginner and installs a distribution for the first time one can get scared by the splash screen showing errors which are 99% of the time safe to ignore (e.g showing that a device was not found). I know its important for developers and advanced users to know all this info but it can make beginners feel so damn scared (like me).

  • Naming, like in the general sense, it seems like many software have some ridiculous names (dolphin, ncmpcpp, gimp, foot, gnome). Very subjective, I know, but in the end I love and hate these names.

  • Bluetooth... yeah.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Hibernation should really soon work out of the box with Secure Boot on. Afaik chromeos was looking into that

Also paranoid people saying that e.g. all TPMs are made by the devil and will spy you to death lol

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

I hate that nobody recognizes Linux as a legit OS. But that is the same with many FOSS projects like LibreOffice. The format is not recognized in a lot of places, which is insane. Microsoft really have their marketing prefected

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Middle click to free scroll not working in non-FF browsers

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Total lack of stability, not in "crashing programs" but in the entire idea of "throw it all out and start over" that seems to 100% infest every single Linux developer every few years.

Not to mention the total loss of every single bit of UNIX philosophy over the years.

"Everything's a file." ? Not according to Linux, not any more.

All the various *ctls necessary to run and inspect your system have completely gotten out of control.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

The elitism

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Having to use the terminal even once

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Smug and condescending users that started using Linux 2 months ago.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Same reason as the rest of the world: too complicated to use. Also pretty much all the DEs are ugly and dated, save for GNOME, in my opinion.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

No three finger drag on Wayland

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