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It's the dunk tank.
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What happens there is a human catastrophe, comparable to what Nazi Germany did in the second world war.
feddit.de doing casual holocaust denial
you wouldn't believe how excited germans get, when they hear someone else out there is supposedly doing a bit of a genocide
they fall over themselves to condemn, of course. Turns out, most of the world is actually worse than hitler, huh. Convenient, I guess
It is "fed"dit, so that makes sense
The OP is horrible too.
Over 90% of Tibetan people still speak their ancestral language.
Wanna guess what that number is for indigenous people of Turtle Island?
spoiler
It is 8%. EIGHT FUCKING PERCENT. Fuck all of these cracker libs.
Americans and Canadians love to pretend that just because their genocides were more successful and the victims ~~less numerous~~ less numerous now that this somehow invalidates their struggle. One of the longest enduring struggles against colonialism is still alive today in spite of all efforts to exterminate them. Efforts that are ongoing.
the victims less numerous
North Amerika had about 10 million inhabitants before the settlers arrived and half a million natives left once the expansion of the US and Klanada was complete. Libs downplay this by saying that half of the 9.5 million were killed by plagues instead of being directly murdered, which is ignoring pox blankets, but you have to be creative when you want to deny actual genocides that leave behind material evidence.
for context, the 10 million inhabitants number is in dispute. some estimates for N. America alone go up towards 20 million or even 50 million (including Mexico).
Part One: Numbers from Nowhere
Mann first treats New England in the 17th century. He disagrees with the popular idea that European technologies were superior to those of Native Americans, using guns as a specific example. The Native Americans considered them little more than "noisemakers", and concluded they were more difficult to aim than arrows. Prominent colonist John Smith of the southern Jamestown colony noted as an "awful truth" that a gun "could not shoot as far as an arrow could fly". Moccasins were more comfortable and sturdy than the boots Europeans wore, and were preferred by most during that era because their padding offered a more silent approach to warfare. The Indian canoes could be paddled faster and were more maneuverable than any small European boats.
The contrasting approaches of "High Counters" and "Low Counters" among historians are discussed. Among the former, anthropologist Henry F. Dobyns estimated the number of pre-Columbian Native Americans as close to 100 million, while critics of the High Counters include David Henige, who wrote Numbers from Nowhere (1998).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1491:_New_Revelations_of_the_Americas_Before_Columbus
The population debate has often had ideological underpinnings. Low estimates were sometimes reflective of European notions of cultural and racial superiority. Historian Francis Jennings argued, "Scholarly wisdom long held that Indians were so inferior in mind and works that they could not possibly have created or sustained large populations." In 1998, Africanist Historian David Henige said many population estimates are the result of arbitrary formulas applied from unreliable sources.
it's worth noting that Tenoctitlan at around a quarter of a million inhabitants was likely the 4th largest city on earth at the time, with a population larger than current day Paris or Istanbul and had 4x the population of London. the spanish conquistadors purposely fouled it's extremely innovative water and transportation system, making disease rampant.
While some of this could be misconstrued as a noble savage trope, they really did have many novel forms of agriculture that were far advanced beyond European practices in terms of sustaining populations at scale.
The plague thing is obviously bullshit beyond the first few decades. Why were there still Indian Wars until the 1920s if they all died of disease?
It is 8%. EIGHT FUCKING PERCENT. Fuck all of these cracker libs.
Honestly that's about twice what I thought it was
Over 90% of Tibetan people still speak their ancestral language.
Also the PLA ended slavery in Tibet
https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
Let us look at a specific example. A claim like “There’s cultural genocide of Uyghurs in Xinjiang” is simply unreal to most Westerners, close to pure gibberish. The words really refer to existing entities and geographies, but Westerners aren’t familiar with them. The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.
Evergreen essay
I've been seeing the term "evergreen" used a lot recently. Is it new zoomer slang?
17th century zoomer slang
Zooming was slower back then, but they still did it.
It references evergreen trees, the ones that don't lose their leaves in the winter and are green year-round, in this case it says the essay is applicable to many scenarios and not just a few, like how normal trees are only green for parts of the year
people go through fads even with older idioms. this one has been around for ages and it might be as old as modern english.
ngl i remember not really liking it, like i agree with it in general i just don't really like the writing style, imo the False Witnesses essay from 2008 that they also have on the site gets the point across a lot better
Muslim countries are too biased to handle matters of Muslim persecution, apparently.
Even Turkey backed off. And they were all "rah rah our turkic brothers are being persecuted, this will not stand!!". Even they decided that nothing of the sort was happening there.
Clearly Erdoğan is being paid off by Xi and those Muslim nations are actually all in league with those pesky evil reds! 
I have actually read that somewhere. It went a little like this "Ofc those evil corrupt governments side with China, they are just as corrupt as the Chinese so of course they will betray their own people as long as it benefits them!"
which is deeply racist and also very ironic considering that officials across the EU have been more then ready to commit economic suicide after Washington asked them to.
Said it before, will say it again.
in 2000 America imported 6.38% of its total imports from China, in 2020 America imported 19.5% of its total imports from China, over a threefold increase. Setting aside the 
question, if the US government (or their allies) actually cared about the treatment of Muslims in China (they don't, they've been bombing Muslim countries nonstop for 20 years), they would have to decouple the American economy from the Chinese economy as quickly as possible with a general boycott of Chinese goods in order to end indirect material support for the genocide they claim is happening. But we all know that's not gonna happen, lol.
I think that’s where a lot of this “China Man Bad” rhetoric stems from. If they’re extra loud about how bad China is, find one or two token Chinese companies to boycott, it’ll assuage the nagging feeling of cognitive dissonance that getting all that plastic shit from China completely undermines the idea that capitalism buttresses “free” society.
Muslims are just tools of propaganda for liberals, whether it's for demonization or for pretending to care about supposed "human rights violations" they can use against leftist nations.
I listened to the Deprogram episode with Lady Izdihar last night (she's a muslim who specializes in USSR history) and she talked a little about her history as a worker for a Democratic candidate. Apparently the team she was with wanted to celebrate winning a lawsuit against an anti-Muslim Trump policy by... going to a bar.
China once invited the Western press to tour Xinjiang and they said "no thanks."
They would not have been allowed to go even if they wanted to, as had recently become apparent.
The rhetorical trick is ensuring only journalists who would never go end up in positions of power.
Not true, because they could go there and lie like the BBC did that one time
What was the day when Xinjiang genocide propaganda was published for the first time for the masses to consume? I'll mark it in my calendar as the day the West suddenly began to give a shit about Muslims.
iirc it started getting mainstream coverage outside of just fox news and other really far right outlets like a week after it was revealed that in the ICE camps immigrants were being operated on and sterilised without their consent
I feel like it became mainstream during the 2020 primary election cycle after Biden brought it up in a debate.
May 2018 was when Zenz published his first report to the Jamestown Foundation. It didn't pick up steam until Washington Post's article about him on May 2019. It was pushed extremely hard April-May 2021 by bellingcat, Bloomberg, WSJ and SCMP. There are multiple waves of it because re-wording of the initial "study" findings keeps getting re-published and re-posted to places like Reddit. If you go on Reddit you will see the same debunked Zenz-based Uighur articles posted like clockwork every 3 months for years on end.
On the Jamestown Foundation founder William W. Geimer:
Geimer was described as "a visionary" by Jamestown Foundation Board member and former Central Intelligence Agency director R. James Woolsey, and by Jamestown Foundation Advisory Board member Zbigniew Brzezinski as "a patriot with a vision, an idealist with a program, and a leader who knew how to get things done". Geimer's funeral service was attended by then-Vice President Dick Cheney, also a Jamestown Foundation Board member.
Basically an anti-communist and imperialist DC based think tank published a "study" from Zenz. That study used Radio Free Asia as a source, as well as extremely flawed methods of extrapolation, to come to its conclusions and Zenz never visited Xinjiang nor does he speak or read Chinese or Uighur.
Yeah but that's actually freedom. You see, Arizona has entered a public-private partnership to seek alternative solutions for public executions. They're killing so many people that it's costing the state too much tax money. This is to reduce costs. They get to purchase this alternative execution method in the free market, at a fair market value. Authoritarianism is when the state makes its own Zyklon B and kills masses with it. When your private prisons are so full that gassing people is the only economical solution, that's liberal democracy.
Please read a book.
China genocided the Uyghurs so hard that their population increased
That's the German bunch right?
Bunch uber alles motherfuckers, the lot
There are some Uyghurs who could flee the country...
I read one of the US-based Uyghur activists accounts of how she escaped China. Thought it was going to be a harrowing story of people smugglers and fake IDs but it turned out that the genocidal Chinese government just gave her a passport and she bought a plane ticket to the US.
Every genocide in history has created huge outflows of refugees trying to escape death. Xinjiang has a huge and relatively poorly patrolled border with several Islamic nations who would all be very sympathetic to their brothers and sisters getting murdered. Where are the mass refugee outflows? Nowhere.