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The article seems to have kind of a negative bias to it that I don't quite understand?

Here is the Telegraph link

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/25/full-untold-story-donald-trump-u-turn-ukraine-war-us-russia/

While I think think the focus on the Patriot missiles is somewhat distracting from more crucial weapon systems like the ones I have posted in this community (155mm ammunition and artillery, HIMARS, EW/jamming/anti-drone turboprop aircraft etc...) I can absolutely see the crucial importance of these systems getting delivered.

The reason is not that Patriot missiles are necessary for the defense of the bulk population of Ukraine, it is they make it much harder for Russia to use an extremely expensive weapons system to take out a very high value civilian or military target at a crucial moment. A patriot missile defense system provides the first step of confidence to employ a whole host of other more cost effective short range and high ammunition air defense systems to counter the Russian attack on Ukrainian civilians at a mass scale.

Note however, this is not how the people selling the Patriot missile systems are going to sell it to the governments and militaries purchasing them. I invoke this as apolitically as possible but notice that with Israel's near infinite backing of US military support it never really bothered to develop air defense systems such as the Sky Sentinel, technologies Ukraine immediately understood the necessity of.

The reason isn't that Israelis are less intelligent than Ukrainians, rather it is that the US/western military industrial complex in its aid to Israel for obvious reasons favored the most expensive counters to Iranian threats they could possibly get away with. F35s, absurdly expensive missiles and other technologies certainly have their place in a wholistic air/missile defense and I am sure the air defense strategy of Israel will serve as a future blueprint for many countries but this type of extremely high cost per use air defense system is in no way sufficient to protect a civilian population at large and it wasn't really designed to...

We must ensure the whole rest of the Ukrainian air defense system is also supported, otherwise Ukraine will simply be forced to fire all the patriot missiles it gets and will run out... and then there will be 99 patriot missiles in reserve on the wall globally, rinse repeat.

One could argue that one of the Russian win conditions of the war in Ukraine must be to exhaustively deplete "western" stocks of Patriot missiles in the medium term. If Russia cannot ensure that it cannot win the Ukraine war at least in the medium term.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

One could argue that one of the Russian win conditions of the war in Ukraine must be to exhaustively deplete "western" stocks of Patriot missiles in the medium term.

I would argue that is a loss - there are people in the US who watch those stocks. Those people are also watching the Ukraine war closely. You can bet they ask trying to figure out how many they will need should war break out and if they don't have those numbers doing something about it. Expanding air defense to ensure it will fill the need is their job and they know their life is on the line if they fail (that is missiles get through)

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