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[–] 93 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Liberals demonstrating that to them the optics of agreeing with MTG are worse than the optics of supporting genocide

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't look at the .ml thread about it.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago
    [+] 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
    [–] 53 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    To me the larger statement here is that Dem house members and Repub house members are just the same bloodthirsty war mongers, with a different consonant next to their name.

    AOC is but one of them.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think most people are acutely aware of that part,

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    When MTG is more correct on an issue than you (for the wrong reasons no doubt) I don't think you count as a progressive any more

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The reasons being that it is a waste of American tax payer money on a war that doesn't benefit the American people

    Which isn't a wrong reason there are certainly better ones

    But this is the correct approach to reach the average Republican

    And this makes her infinitely better than any other pro war democrat

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is also the correct approach for those liberals that are like "why should I care about Palestine?" I like to hit them with "because your tax dollars are going to blow up children instead of fixing our roads and paying for you to be healthy and have a nice environment". It's certainly the least empathetic path to get someone to support your side, but when it comes to stopping a genocide, we don't have a lot of leverage which is crazy

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The only problem with this approach is that it still enables the pacifying force of fascism.

    "Fine, we will give you free healthcare and fix the roads, genocides still happening though".

    It's basically the same "we will do genocide, but bring out a rainbow flag occasionally and allow trans people to partake" that the Dems do now, just more concessions towards the populace.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    My only worry is the current crop of rising anti Israel voices that are rising on the right (notably Tucker Carlson) will parlay their correct stance on Israel into future anti semitic actions.

    I can see a movement in the future to deport American Jews to Israel, because "we supported Israel for so long you Jews need to be grateful"

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  • [+] 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Same people voting against sending weapons to Israel at the start of the genocide. So to conclude the entire genocide did nothing to shift American policitians stance.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Shocking, a soc dem dipshit is also pro genocideshocked-pikachu

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    is she a soc dem? as far as i can tell she's just a run of the mill dem

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago

    AOC continues to prove that she is trash

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Insane. Dem voters despise Israel now, this is such an easy W.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    Sheepdog lib gonna lib

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm pretty convinced that this is just a spiteful move on her part. She fucking hates MTG and knew this wasnt going to pass. That said even from a liberal perspective you should still agree with a broken clock when its right even if its for the wrong reasons.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    Right? There was an opportunity to use Republican support for something good and pride got in the way of progress again. In the liberal mind, It's better to chide TACO trump into nuking Palestine than to agree with a Republican when they actually propose something helpful. The real victories are sticking to your guns in the face of progress.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don’t even think this stripped all funding, or even a majority of it. Just reducing it by $500 million.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    Is this true? Where can we verify that? Is there a source?

    Edit: thank you for your answers

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Just for future reference as well

    Drop site is generally one of those "you can probably just believe them" sites. Similar to Ken Klippenstein on domestic US "security" state side of things. That doesn't mean don't verify when you can. Just that they don't generally post bullshit especially regarding Israel and MENA politics.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago
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    AOCIA strikes again.

    Let's seem if flattened-bernie gets to Mamdani on easing up language against Pissreal too.

    ...

    Sanders urged his now-protégé to be firm in calling for Democratic leaders to rally behind him but also to more carefully address what he’s said about Israel. ... Sanders, a Brooklyn native, was eager to welcome Mamdani for their first meeting after several phone calls, including a congratulatory one after his primary win. The closest that they’ve come in person before was at Sanders’ October 2019 rally in Queens marking his comeback after a heart attack , which Mamdani used as an early organizing opportunity for his first assembly campaign. side-eye-1 ....

    Sanders, who is Jewish, urged Mamdani to be cautious about how he approaches talking about Israel. Both are critics of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel’s handling of its war in Gaza.

    Ahead of the trip, Mamdani told business leaders in New York that he would discourage the use of the phrase “globalize the intifada.” Mamdani, who has not used the phrase himself, has said he believes the phrase to be a rallying cry for Palestinian human rights and refused to condemn its use when asked during his primary campaign.

    According to the person familiar with their conversation, Sanders told Mamdani he had to do a better job explaining that his criticism is not antisemitic and to not let himself seem like he’s minimizing the fear Jews in New York and elsewhere feel from the threat of hate against them.

    Bolding mine. Bernie seems ro have a difficult time sepersting Zionazis from Judiasm. Plenty of Jews in New York have been on the front lines of anti Pissreal Aktion. af Love how Bernie just erases them and their fears and violence against them by acab-3 and Zionazis.

    At the end of the day Mamdani is a Democrat. I hope he doesn't turn into another AOCIA.

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